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Postby Transmogrifier » Thu Oct 30, 2003 11:08 am

Neyer thinks the Yanks won't bite:



By Rob Neyer
ESPN.com

I'll never forget the day the Red Sox signed Manny Ramirez. It was Dec. 13, 2000, and I was living a few blocks south of Fenway Park. Walking home from the Barnes & Noble in Kenmore Square, from Yawkey Way I could see the big display board above the center-field bleachers . . .


THE
BOSTON RED SOX
WELCOME
MANNY
RAMIREZ
TO
FENWAY PARK


Manny Ramirez is the second-highest-paid player in baseball behind Alex Rodriguez.
Yes, $160 million seemed like a lot of money. But you know, at the time there were many who thought that player salaries would just keep going up and up and up. So while $20 million per season seemed like a lot of money, it wasn't unreasonable to think that Ramirez would eventually become a pretty good value.

Didn't happen. Salaries have not continued to escalate, at least not to a great degree. So now Ramirez is maybe the 10th or 12th best player in the major leagues but has the second-highest salary. And he'll likely continue to have the second-highest salary for the next two or three years, even as his ranking among the best players drops with each season.

Dan Duquette was the general manager who signed Manny Ramirez. Now there's a new guy in Duquette's old office, and my guess is that the new guy recognizes Ramirez's great talent but has other ideas for the $100 million that Ramirez will collect (from somebody) over the next five years.

And let's be realistic, sports fans. There's only one man in the world who might spend $100 million on a player with an attitude, and his name is George Steinbrenner.

Would Brian Cashman ask Steinbrenner for $100 million to sign a player like Manny Ramirez? Not on your life. Cashman would look at his roster and say, quite reasonably, "Gee, we've got enough high-priced hitters who can't play a key defensive position (or can, but not particularly well)."

Cashman might also look at the numbers and say, quite reasonably, "Gosh, only two American League teams scored more runs than we did in 2003, and no American League team scored more runs on the road than we did (Yankee Stadium is a pitcher's park). What's more, our lineup figures to fare even better next season, considering how many injuries we suffered this season."

But Cashman's never actually been in charge of the Yankees, and he's really not in charge now, with three years having passed since the Big Stein got one of those fancy trophies from Commissioner Bud.

My read of the situation is that the Red Sox desperately want to relieve themselves of their $100 million obligation to Ramirez. But why put Ramirez on waivers now, just three days after the World Series?

Because 1) there's only one team that will seriously consider claiming Ramirez, and 2) that team's owner is never going to be more frustrated and more aggressive than he is right now.

Will Steinbrenner rise to the bait? I doubt it.

Ramirez is a great player, of course. If the Yankees had Ramirez, they might reasonably be said to have four of the dozen best players in the league (along with Giambi, Posada, and Soriano). But I suspect Cashman has plans to remake the Yankees' defense up the middle, and the arrival of Ramirez would make that impossible.

With Giambi and Nick Johnson set at DH and first base (and rightly so), Ramirez would have to play left field, which means Hideki Matsui has to play right field, which means Bernie Williams has to remain in center field, which means there's no way of moving Soriano or Jeter to center field (and you can forget about trading for Carlos Beltran or signing Vladimir Guerrero, too).

In a sense, adding Ramirez would make Cashman's job a lot easier, because then all he'd have to worry about is 1) finding a third baseman, 2) finding two or three (or four) starting pitchers, and 3) almost completely revamping the bullpen. All with no help from the farm system, which has little to offer.

Sounds like a busy winter.

What makes all this so fascinating isn't that the Red Sox have placed Ramirez on waivers. That's just common sense. What's fascinating is that the Red Sox are essentially offering a great player to their sworn enemies, gratis. The reports I've seen mention a number of teams that might be interested in Ramirez, but unless the Red Sox are willing to send a significant sum of money with Ramirez, there's only one team, one owner, that might have serious interest.

Will Steinbrenner take the bait? Probably not. Sure is fun to think about, though. And you have to admire Theo Epstein for making the first move.

Senior writer Rob Neyer writes four columns per week during the baseball season. His new book, "Rob Neyer's Big Book of Baseball Lineups," has just been published by Fireside. For more information about the book, visit Rob's Web site.



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Postby Madison » Thu Oct 30, 2003 11:15 am

Here's a scary thought. If by some chance a team picks up Manny's deal, it will raise the cost of getting Vlad. 8-o
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Postby Grenade Teeth » Thu Oct 30, 2003 11:24 am

How long can a guy stay on waivers like this? Anyone know?

Will we know about Manny in 2 days, 2 weeks or Mar 1?
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Postby Madison » Thu Oct 30, 2003 11:30 am

Grenade Teeth wrote:How long can a guy stay on waivers like this? Anyone know?

Will we know about Manny in 2 days, 2 weeks or Mar 1?


Missed it both times, huh?

If a team claims Ramirez before the deadline tomorrow


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Postby rotodog » Thu Oct 30, 2003 12:08 pm

Guys,I live in Massachusetts.I have been telling anyone wholl listen that manny,nomar or pedro will not be with this team in spring.I didnt think it would happen so soon.Its a grat move for theo and co. if they can get out of this contract.Look what they assembled this year for offense with other teams scraps(mueller,millar,ortiz etc). They obviously feel they can get another player to replace a portion of Manny's production a lot cheaper and go get a top flight pitcher.
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Postby nsulham » Thu Oct 30, 2003 12:36 pm

Many options for Red Sox

By Peter Gammons
Special to ESPN.com


The Red Sox placed Manny Ramirez on irrevocable waivers Monday for several reasons.

Ramirez talked to the club at the end of the season and expressed that while he likes the Red Sox and Boston, he wouldn't mind seeing what there was in a trade, with his home (New York) an enticing option. If someone like the Yankees were to take the $100 million over five years, it would free the Red Sox to make several other moves.

With a number of teams looking to pare payroll, the Red Sox could take Curt Schilling, Matt Mantei and Junior Spivey from the Diamondbacks. Or they could possibly take on contracts from teams such as Houston, St. Louis or the White Sox.

When Rangers owner Tom Hicks approached the Boston ownership about Alex Rodriguez, he was told that Texas would have to take Ramirez. The Red Sox were told that the Rangers had no interest in Ramirez.

When Ramirez talked to Red Sox officials, they offered to let him out of his contract so he could become a free agent. Obviously he declined, as agent Jeff Moorad knows that the current market might bring four years, $50-60 million, in contrast to the five years, $100 million on his existing deal.


Of course you knew Petey had to throw in his two cents. Interesting to me that it was a mutual decision.

Lots of ch-ch-ch-changes coming in Beantown.
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Postby Transmogrifier » Thu Oct 30, 2003 12:46 pm

What do Yanks fans think about this? Chance Georgie claims him?

Do you want him?
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Postby Madison » Thu Oct 30, 2003 12:53 pm

Transmogrifier wrote:What do Yanks fans think about this? Chance Georgie claims him?

Do you want him?


It wouldn't surprise me to see a team come out of nowhere to grab him.
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Postby Lofunzo » Thu Oct 30, 2003 12:53 pm

Transmogrifier wrote:What do Yanks fans think about this? Chance Georgie claims him?

Do you want him?
Nope and nope. :-t As well as he hits in that stadium, they did their best work when they had great pitching, defense, and clutch hitting. They already have enough guys with bats and no gloves. You can keep him. I'm sure that he'll be really happy when he comes back next year after the Sox tried to give him away. :-D
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Postby Lofunzo » Thu Oct 30, 2003 12:55 pm

Madison wrote:
Transmogrifier wrote:What do Yanks fans think about this? Chance Georgie claims him?

Do you want him?


It wouldn't surprise me to see a team come out of nowhere to grab him.


I have been trying to think that way but there are only a handful of teams that could afford him, especially with the current landscape of baseball, and 1 of them is trying to get rid of him.
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