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Postby acsguitar » Fri Feb 02, 2007 7:05 pm

I guess I don't understand why this is a bad idea? How is protecting people from a disease promoting premarital sex? I applaud Perry for this ESPECIALLY considering he is a very conservative Christian. Now I won't say more in this thread cause I'll get in trouble but I'd like to hear other peoples opinions

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[quote]AUSTIN, Texas - Bypassing the Legislature, Republican Gov. Rick Perry signed an order Friday making Texas the first state to require that schoolgirls get vaccinated against the sexually transmitted virus that causes cervical cancer.

By issuing an executive order, Perry apparently sidesteps opposition in the Legislature from conservatives and parents’ rights groups who fear such a requirement would condone premarital sex and interfere with the way parents raise their children.

Beginning in September 2008, girls entering the sixth grade — meaning, generally, girls ages 11 and 12 — will have to get Gardasil, Merck & Co.’s new vaccine against strains of the human papillomavirus, or HPV.

Perry, a conservative Christian who opposes abortion and stem-cell research using embryonic cells, counts on the religious right for his political base. But he has said the cervical cancer vaccine is no different from the one that protects children against polio.

“The HPV vaccine provides us with an incredible opportunity to effectively target and prevent cervical cancer,â€
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Postby Coppermine » Fri Feb 02, 2007 7:31 pm

Man, i shouldn't get into this, but I hate the situation. Some people hate it just because they hate the idea of the government telling them to do something; even though many vaccinations are not only required by state law, but if you want to go to school, college, etc.

The HPV vaccine is interesting; it protects you from what is basically an STD that is known to cause cancer. Your "crazies" proclaim that vaccinating little girls against against HPV, you're somehow encouraging them to have sense. Myself, and just about every physician in this country, sees this as scientifically absurd, but since when do most people give two craps about science? Apparently giving your 12 year old a vaccine against an STD encourages them to have sex. Funny how statistics show that kids from families like that are far more likely to have sex.
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Postby AcidRock23 » Fri Feb 02, 2007 7:45 pm

I would think that most people will eventually get around to having sex so that would be a smart idea, particularly from a public health standpoint, since one surgery probably = about 3000 shots.

Once you get into the whole panoply of cancer diagnosis and treatment, it's probably more like 20,000 shots, cashing in doctor's visits, exams, referrals to specialists, radiation, chemo, MRIs to see if they got it, complications, counseling, etc. Maybe 50,000 shots? I am not sure what cancer goes for these days but I'm sure that it ain't cheap. Not to mention funerals ain't cheap either... ;-D
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Postby PlayingWithFire » Fri Feb 02, 2007 9:05 pm

Perry apparently sidesteps opposition in the Legislature from conservatives and parents’ rights groups who fear such a requirement would condone premarital sex and interfere with the way parents raise their children.


Hell yeah, the end of all STDs!!!!

Wait, it doesn't protect against HIV?

And almost all other STDs??

Then what does that has to do with premarital sex?
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Postby knapplc » Fri Feb 02, 2007 9:21 pm

Not all Christians are crazy. Just so you know. ;-) :-D
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Postby PlayingWithFire » Fri Feb 02, 2007 9:35 pm

the only reason to oppose this is because the vaccine is so expensive and the disease is so rare.
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Postby Coppermine » Fri Feb 02, 2007 9:36 pm

PlayingWithFire wrote:
Perry apparently sidesteps opposition in the Legislature from conservatives and parents’ rights groups who fear such a requirement would condone premarital sex and interfere with the way parents raise their children.


Hell yeah, the end of all STDs!!!!

Wait, it doesn't protect against HIV?

And almost all other STDs??

Then what does that has to do with premarital sex?


HPV is a fairly common problem with women. Ever hear of a pap-smear? Yeah, you'd have to have a girlfriend I guess ( :-b j/k). In any case, a vaccine for this fairly common ailment was developed over the summer. But you get HPV primarily from sex. So vaccinating 12 year old girls from it implies that they must obviously having, or planning on having sex.

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Postby PlayingWithFire » Fri Feb 02, 2007 9:39 pm

Coppermine wrote:
PlayingWithFire wrote:
Perry apparently sidesteps opposition in the Legislature from conservatives and parents’ rights groups who fear such a requirement would condone premarital sex and interfere with the way parents raise their children.


Hell yeah, the end of all STDs!!!!

Wait, it doesn't protect against HIV?

And almost all other STDs??

Then what does that has to do with premarital sex?


HPV is a fairly common problem with women. Ever hear of a pap-smear? Yeah, you'd have to have a girlfriend I guess ( :-b j/k). In any case, a vaccine for this fairly common ailment was developed over the summer. But you get HPV primarily from sex. So vaccinating 12 year old girls from it implies that they must obviously having, or planning on having sex.

THE HORROR!!!!!


For some reason I thought I read that it isn't so common and that the vaccine only protect against 75% of it.
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Postby suppasonic » Fri Feb 02, 2007 11:00 pm

I sold my Merck stock only a few weeks before they announced Gardasil :,-( :,-( :,-( :,-(
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Postby Coppermine » Fri Feb 02, 2007 11:00 pm

PlayingWithFire wrote:
Coppermine wrote:
PlayingWithFire wrote:
Perry apparently sidesteps opposition in the Legislature from conservatives and parents’ rights groups who fear such a requirement would condone premarital sex and interfere with the way parents raise their children.


Hell yeah, the end of all STDs!!!!

Wait, it doesn't protect against HIV?

And almost all other STDs??

Then what does that has to do with premarital sex?


HPV is a fairly common problem with women. Ever hear of a pap-smear? Yeah, you'd have to have a girlfriend I guess ( :-b j/k). In any case, a vaccine for this fairly common ailment was developed over the summer. But you get HPV primarily from sex. So vaccinating 12 year old girls from it implies that they must obviously having, or planning on having sex.

THE HORROR!!!!!


For some reason I thought I read that it isn't so common and that the vaccine only protect against 75% of it.


A separate group of about 30 HPVs are typically transmitted through sexual contact. Genital HPV infection is very common, with estimates suggesting that up to 75% of women will become infected with one or more of the sexually transmitted HPV types at some point during adulthood (Baseman and Koutsky, 2005).


Given that HPV is proven to cause cervical cancer, and that a vaccine exists to prevent infection (Wikipedia: On June 8, 2006, the FDA approved Gardasil, a prophylactic HPV vaccine which is marketed by Merck. The vaccine trial, conducted in adult women with a mean age of 23, showed protection against initial infection with HPV types 16 and 18, which together cause 70 percent of cervical cancers. HPV types 16 and 18 also cause anal cancer in men and women. The trial also showed 100% efficacy against persistent infections, not just incident infections. The vaccine also protects against HPV types 6 and 11, which cause 90 percent of genital warts. GlaxoSmithKline is expected to seek approval for a prophylactic vaccine targeting HPV types 16 and 18 early in 2007, known as Cervarix. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) recommend vaccinating a woman who has already been diagnosed with HPV (October 2006)) I really can't think of any single *good* reason not to mandate this, particularly if it's affordable and/or covered by insurance.

Anyone who advocates NOT doing this based on sexual promiscuity is a quack or someone looking for a ridiculous moral fight.[/quote]
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