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Who is the best 2nd baseman?

Joe Morgan
6
30%
Jackie Robinson
1
5%
Rogers Hornsby
11
55%
Eddie Collins
1
5%
Nap Lajoie
0
No votes
Ryne Sandberg
0
No votes
Frank Frisch
0
No votes
Chalie Gehringer
0
No votes
Rod Carew
1
5%
 
Total votes : 20

Postby Grenade Teeth » Thu Oct 30, 2003 11:14 pm

Guest wrote:
Grenade Teeth wrote:
Both managed a couple of years
Collins 174 W, 160 L, .521 PCT
Morgan 301 W, 262 L, .535 PCT
Morgan also took the Red Sox to the Postseason, but has no more postseason wins than Collins.

Uhhhh....wrong Joe Morgan. The HoFer Joe Morgan never managed in the big leagues. The Joe Morgan that managed the Red Sox is white.


Really, I just assumed it was him. Well, sorry. I'm giving myself a 3-day suspensioni for that one. Doh.

I still like Collins

one last observation before leaving - isn't comparing Hornsby with Morgan with Collins like a dog show. You got a Greyhound, Pit Bull and whatever Morgan would be. And you gotta pick a winner. Camparing catchers was much easier.
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Postby LCBOY » Thu Oct 30, 2003 11:32 pm

Grenade Teeth wrote:
one last observation before leaving - isn't comparing Hornsby with Morgan with Collins like a dog show. You got a Greyhound, Pit Bull and whatever Morgan would be. And you gotta pick a winner. Camparing catchers was much easier.

Baseball fans (short for fanatics, right?) just love to argue who was the best. I know I do. I highly recommend Bill James' Historical Abstract, both the original from 1985 and the new from 2002. In the 1985 edition he ranks the top 10 at every position in terms of "peak value" and "career value". What I like about his lists are the methods he used to arrive at his picks. He uses many different sources, stats, contemporary reports from ther players, writers. managers, etc. His research is very extensive and well thought out. I'll post the section on 2B because James got the most grief from people. He only rated "the Rajah" 4th greatest.



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Postby LCBOY » Thu Oct 30, 2003 11:33 pm

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Really, I just assumed it was him. Well, sorry. I'm giving myself a 3-day suspensioni for that one. Doh.


I've spoken to Bud Selig and he has agreed to reduce your suspension to 1-day if your agree to wear an "I love Joe Morgan" t-shirt. :-)
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Postby LCBOY » Thu Oct 30, 2003 11:52 pm

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Who me? :-b
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Postby Madison » Fri Oct 31, 2003 12:35 am

LCBOY wrote:
Grenade Teeth wrote:
Really, I just assumed it was him. Well, sorry. I'm giving myself a 3-day suspensioni for that one. Doh.


I've spoken to Bud Selig and he has agreed to reduce your suspension to 1-day if your agree to wear an "I love Joe Morgan" t-shirt. :-)


Lmao! :-D
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Postby Arlo » Fri Oct 31, 2003 8:20 am

LCBOY wrote:
Arlo wrote:
(Can't wait for LCBOY to rip me apart now... !+) )


Who me? :-b

Perish the thought! ;-)

I think that both Hornsby's defense and intangibles are often looked at a bit one-sidedly. The fact that McGraw dealt him, for instance, is often mentioned; that he (and Charles Stoneham) were willing to go to unprecedented lengths to acquire him isn't. Conversely, it could be argued that not adding Hornsby in 1919 was a serious mistake.

James makes some good points, certainly, but nevertheless, Rajah remains tops in my book. :-)
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Re: All-time Great 2nd baseman

Postby thedude » Sun May 10, 2009 9:51 pm

Joe Morgan. Hornsby was a better hitter (and would probably make a better broadcaster) but Morgan was a more complete player and a much better defender at an important defensive position.
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