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Postby wrveres » Tue Jun 05, 2007 7:45 pm

wrveres wrote:why not just use the dollar value calculator at rototimes. It is more geared towards fantasy ball anyways.

who ever earns the most in 2007 ;-D
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wrveres wrote:Oh and I am not so sure that Cabrera will out earn Utley.
I wouldn't mind putting my money on Chase.

anybody want to bet a Frosty from Wendy's ? :-)

Yep. ;-D


done! ;-D

we will use 2007 Rototimes Dollars Earned for a standard 12 team league.
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Postby Amazinz » Tue Jun 05, 2007 9:17 pm

wrveres wrote:we will use 2007 Rototimes Dollars Earned for a standard 12 team league.

How convenient lol. :D
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Re: Better first round choice: Utley vs. Cabrera

Postby Yoda » Mon Jun 11, 2007 12:15 pm

Rototimes $ value today:
Mcab 30.64
Utley 27.77

MCab is only behind Arod at 3B. Utley is behind Upton and BRoberts at the moment.
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Re: Better first round choice: Utley vs. Cabrera

Postby J35J » Mon Jun 11, 2007 1:42 pm

Yoda wrote:Rototimes $ value today:
Mcab 30.64
Utley 27.77

MCab is only behind Arod at 3B. Utley is behind Upton and BRoberts at the moment.


Indeed! MCab has had a very nice week to pull ahead.....he should hold the lead from here one out as well I would think.
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Re: Better first round choice: Utley vs. Cabrera

Postby wrveres » Mon Jun 11, 2007 4:40 pm

Yoda wrote:Rototimes $ value today:
Mcab 30.64
Utley 27.77

MCab is only behind Arod at 3B. Utley is behind Upton and BRoberts at the moment.



a couple of stolen bases, and Chase makes up that deficit in nothing flat.
Lots of baseball left.
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Re: Better first round choice: Utley vs. Cabrera

Postby Yoda » Mon Jun 11, 2007 4:44 pm

wrveres wrote:
Yoda wrote:Rototimes $ value today:
Mcab 30.64
Utley 27.77

MCab is only behind Arod at 3B. Utley is behind Upton and BRoberts at the moment.



a couple of stolen bases, and Chase makes up that deficit in nothing flat.
Lots of baseball left.


You are preaching to the choir. I'm just posting this for the Pirates guy who said there is no reason to take MCab over Utley this year. In the end, their value will be very similar and it won't have anything to do with Utley's position advantage.
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Re: Better first round choice: Utley vs. Cabrera

Postby J35J » Thu Jul 05, 2007 12:53 pm

Utley now on top...
.324 avg
15 hr
66 rbi
61 runs
6 sb

MCab
.325 avg
17 hr
58 rbi
49 runs
0 sb
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Re: Better first round choice: Utley vs. Cabrera

Postby chipper » Thu Jul 05, 2007 1:08 pm

For what it's worth.....Utley is way ahead in a Yahoo points league.
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Re: Better first round choice: Utley vs. Cabrera

Postby Pirates4Life » Thu Jul 05, 2007 1:35 pm

Yoda wrote:
wrveres wrote:
Yoda wrote:Rototimes $ value today:
Mcab 30.64
Utley 27.77

MCab is only behind Arod at 3B. Utley is behind Upton and BRoberts at the moment.



a couple of stolen bases, and Chase makes up that deficit in nothing flat.
Lots of baseball left.


You are preaching to the choir. I'm just posting this for the Pirates guy who said there is no reason to take MCab over Utley this year. In the end, their value will be very similar and it won't have anything to do with Utley's position advantage.


Sorry, but it did then and it does now.

Among all 2B, there is no one even remotely close to him. And we knew it would be that way before the season started.

Brian Roberts? Roberts has 20 more SBs, but Utley has 10 more HRs, 8 more runs, and 41 more RBIs even with Roberts on what seems to be a career-year pace.

Dan Uggla? He's got 2 more HRs and a few more runs, but Utley's got him by 75 BA points, 16 RBIs, and 4 SBs.

Orlando Hudson? Ian Kinsler? Maybe Upton could've challenged him a bit if he'd stayed healthy, but he didn't.

Even with Brandon Phillips' great year, he's got 6 fewer runs, 20 fewer RBIs, and Utley's got him by almost 60 BA points and 80 OBP points.

After that, you want to drop down to the Aaron Hill, Kelly "stuck in a platoon" Johnson, or Placido Polanco level?

Utley's alone at the top, and there are very few players at ANY position as good as him and no one has anything close to his kind of advantage at their position. Heck, among full time 2B, only Upton (.545) and Uggla (.503) have slugging percentages within 100 POINTS of Utley (.578).

Miguel's been very good, as usual. But we're not going to see the huge breakout this year, either. What a suprise. But consider that he's not even the best at his position (A-Rod). David Wright's been fantastic since a slow start and Aramis Ramirez has been great too. BJ Upton qualifies at 3B too, and Garrett Atkins has finally started hitting like he did last year - even better - since June 1. And now we can add Ryan Braun to the list.
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Re: Better first round choice: Utley vs. Cabrera

Postby Pirates4Life » Thu Jul 05, 2007 1:55 pm

Yoda wrote:
wrveres wrote:
Yoda wrote:Rototimes $ value today:
Mcab 30.64
Utley 27.77

MCab is only behind Arod at 3B. Utley is behind Upton and BRoberts at the moment.



a couple of stolen bases, and Chase makes up that deficit in nothing flat.
Lots of baseball left.


You are preaching to the choir. I'm just posting this for the Pirates guy who said there is no reason to take MCab over Utley this year. In the end, their value will be very similar and it won't have anything to do with Utley's position advantage.


One other thing...

What I said at the time is that the only reason anyone should take Cabrera over Utley is if you expect some huge 45-50 HR, 145 RBI season out of Cabrera. I also said the only way Cabrera would end up more valuable is if he had that kind of season and/or Utley regressed.

Neither is going to happen.

Utley's biggest improvement this year is an ability to handle left handed pitching. To think he's done this so far with Howard having a sub-par 1st half, and it might be reasonable to think Utley's 2nd half might be a bit better than his first now that Howard is hitting just about as well as he did in 2006.
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