shortsavage wrote:I get where you are coming from. I just think leagues should be designed where closers can factor in equally with starting pitchers.
In traditional 5x5 roto, closers do factor in equally with all pitchers, it's just that they have less of an impact on the game due to the lower IP. But they are factored into the equation the same.
Or do you mean that the value of the top closer should be made equal to that of a top starter? If so, why? Should the top set up man also be equal to that of the top starter and closer? The top catcher be equal to that of the top outfielder? Do you think that the top player at every position is equally worthy of being a first round pick? Of being taken ahead of the second best player at every position? I'm a little confused what you are calling for.
shortsavage wrote:If Gagne isn't worth a first round pick, no closer is.
shortsavage wrote:If you are a traditional fan, maybe closers are not the thing for your league. But, don't mitigate their numbers because you don't favor the position.
I don't understand how their numbers are being mitigated, or how closers are being disparaged. If anything, the pitcher that typically gets the final out for their team are getting a big bonus for doing that.
Agreed that a points system could
be designed that made players equally worthy by position. So could a roto style league. Simply set the values as ratios. Something like K/IP, Wins/IP, Saves/IP, etc. This only gets you part way, however, as even a closer like Gagne won't pitch more than ~90 IP in a season (he had 82.1 in 2002 and 2003). I suppose you could make up for this by doing something like tripling the stats of closers so that their IP looked more like starters, or you could boost the value of saves. In a 5x5, though, saves are already a category unto themselves, what more do you want?
The question isn't whether you could do this (your league, presumably has done it), but why would you do it? You say we shouldn't mitigate closers numbers because we don't favor the position. Well, we can turn that question around. Why should we boost closers numbers (or value) simply because we really like the position?
"The game has a cleanness. If you do a good job, the numbers say so. You don't have to ask anyone or play politics. You don't have to wait for the reviews." - Sandy Koufax