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Postby Tavish » Fri Jan 19, 2007 9:25 pm

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Absolutely Adequate wrote:I've looked into this and, as far as I can tell, points leagues would be the best possible way to do this. They are simply more customizable.

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Everyone read this? Points. That's right. Points. I'm changing the title of this thred to read "How Would You Build the Perfect League?"

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He said they are more customizable. Not more fun, exciting, interesting, etc. :-D
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Postby Archduke Chocula » Fri Jan 19, 2007 10:47 pm

Tavish wrote:
JTWood wrote:Everyone read this? Points. That's right. Points. I'm changing the title of this thred to read "How Would You Build the Perfect League?"

:-D


He said they are more customizable. Not more fun, exciting, interesting, etc. :-D


True. It's just a coincidence that it's also how to set up the perfect league.

To elaborate on a serious note, you can adjust the scoring for SB and CS so that a CS not only negates a SB, but is more negative than a SB is positive-- as it is in real baseball (where a 50% breakeven success rate is unacceptable vs. at least 63.5% success).
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Postby Tavish » Fri Jan 19, 2007 11:25 pm

DaQ wrote:Any thoughts on which produces a better 5X5 league? I checked on RotoTimes and both systems don't affect things too much in terms of change.

* As of now, I have it OBP, R, HR, RBI, SB-CS and QS, Saves, ERA, WHIP and K's. I feel OBP>BA since it counts both hits and walks. As for pitchers, K/9 hurts spot-starting and surely helps relievers, but I feel it puts too much emphasis on relievers (I checked a site and using K/9 makes Joe Borowski>Brandon Webb) and QS is more indicative of a SP's performance than wins.


The problem with using QS is that you take away a decent incentive for people to draft middle relievers. Using K/9 helps give them some value back, but as you already noticed having 3 rate stats and saves composing 4 of the 5 pitching categories closers will become a very dominating factor.

It becomes sort of a toss-up on what you would find more interesting. A league that overvalues closers or a league that undervalues MRs.
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Postby DaQ » Sat Jan 20, 2007 1:52 am

Tavish wrote:
DaQ wrote:Any thoughts on which produces a better 5X5 league? I checked on RotoTimes and both systems don't affect things too much in terms of change.

* As of now, I have it OBP, R, HR, RBI, SB-CS and QS, Saves, ERA, WHIP and K's. I feel OBP>BA since it counts both hits and walks. As for pitchers, K/9 hurts spot-starting and surely helps relievers, but I feel it puts too much emphasis on relievers (I checked a site and using K/9 makes Joe Borowski>Brandon Webb) and QS is more indicative of a SP's performance than wins.


The problem with using QS is that you take away a decent incentive for people to draft middle relievers. Using K/9 helps give them some value back, but as you already noticed having 3 rate stats and saves composing 4 of the 5 pitching categories closers will become a very dominating factor.

It becomes sort of a toss-up on what you would find more interesting. A league that overvalues closers or a league that undervalues MRs.


hmm...maybe simplicity (wins) is better. I was hooping for my league to be able to utilize MR's like Scot Shields. Playing devil's advocate to your assumption, just to see how you think of it:
1.) MR's will help in the ERA and WHIP departments, right?
2.) I still feel QS is more indicative of a SP's performace than wins are.

I do see your point though about how closers would become dominant, and I don't want that.

Keep in mind if I use wins, I revert to the regular categories for 5X5, and for hitters, only OBP is different (and that simply adds the effect of walks).
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