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Who was the best 1b?

Lou Gehrig
37
71%
Jimmie Foxx
6
12%
Hank Greenberg
2
4%
Mark McGwire
1
2%
Cap Anson
1
2%
Harmon Killebrew
1
2%
Johnny Mize
0
No votes
Willie McCovey
4
8%
Eddie Murray
0
No votes
 
Total votes : 52

Postby frog99 » Fri May 14, 2004 11:27 am

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frog99 wrote:
Pogotheostrich wrote:Chance just missed the making the poll.




chace isn't even top 20. just because he was in a poem, doesn't mean he deseveres to be in the HOF.


Gehrig was a great player, but i think he is rated too high by some people. If he really was one of the ten best baseball players ever, shouldn't the yankees have won more World Series when he and Ruth were on the same teams?



Not neccesarily(sp?), froggy. There are many more factors in winning the World Series than your first baseman and right ielder. Come on, pitching, defense, other players.
they had 3 hall of fame pitchers for most of that era. Red Ruffing, Lefty Gomez, and Waite Hoyt.
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Postby LCBOY » Mon May 17, 2004 3:16 pm

frog99 wrote:
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Pogotheostrich wrote:Chance just missed the making the poll.




chace isn't even top 20. just because he was in a poem, doesn't mean he deseveres to be in the HOF.


Gehrig was a great player, but i think he is rated too high by some people. If he really was one of the ten best baseball players ever, shouldn't the yankees have won more World Series when he and Ruth were on the same teams?



Not neccesarily(sp?), froggy. There are many more factors in winning the World Series than your first baseman and right ielder. Come on, pitching, defense, other players.
they had 3 hall of fame pitchers for most of that era. Red Ruffing, Lefty Gomez, and Waite Hoyt.


They did have to beat Connie Mack's A's for a few pennants. From 1929-31 the A's were truly a great team...
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Postby DK » Mon May 17, 2004 7:04 pm

By the way, Thomas and Bagwell are probably top 10, but I wouldn't say 5.
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Postby LCBOY » Mon May 17, 2004 9:31 pm

DK wrote:By the way, Thomas and Bagwell are probably top 10, but I wouldn't say 5.


I'd put Bagwell in the top 5. Can you name five better 1B? Hmmm...perhaps another debate DK? }:-)
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Postby Arlo » Tue May 18, 2004 8:34 am

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DK wrote:By the way, Thomas and Bagwell are probably top 10, but I wouldn't say 5.


I'd put Bagwell in the top 5. Can you name five better 1B? Hmmm...perhaps another debate DK? }:-)

Could be an interesting one, particularly since there's so many criteria you can go by! ;-D

(Although I have to admit Bagwell doesn't make my top 5, either...)
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Postby Mookie4ever » Tue May 18, 2004 10:01 am

Even though his numbers do not compare to Gherig's I voted for Greenberg. He voluntarily enlisted after the bombing of Pearl Harbour and missed almost 4 of his prime seasons. He hit .340 with 41 HR in 1940, then he went into the army and when he came back to baseball he hit 44 HR in 1946. Imagine if he had played all of those years, he would give Gherig a run for his money. So out of respect this vote goes to Greenberg.
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Postby ironman » Tue May 18, 2004 10:19 am

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ironman wrote:If you were to base it totally on defense you'd have to give props to Steve Garvey and Donnie Baseball.

Anyway I gotta go with Gehrig.


Actually, Hal Chase, Kieth Hernandez, and J.T. Snow were better defensive 1B...


Lets look at the lifetime fielding %

Don Mattingly - .996
Steve Garvey - .996
J.T. Snow - .995
Keith Hernandez - .994
Hal Chase - .980

All those guys are good but I wouldn't necessarily say they were any better defensively.
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Postby Pogotheostrich » Tue May 18, 2004 11:57 am

ironman wrote:
LCBOY wrote:
ironman wrote:If you were to base it totally on defense you'd have to give props to Steve Garvey and Donnie Baseball.

Anyway I gotta go with Gehrig.


Actually, Hal Chase, Kieth Hernandez, and J.T. Snow were better defensive 1B...


Lets look at the lifetime fielding %

Don Mattingly - .996
Steve Garvey - .996
J.T. Snow - .995
Keith Hernandez - .994
Hal Chase - .980

All those guys are good but I wouldn't necessarily say they were any better defensively.
I don't know who was better defensively but fielding % is a very poor measure of defensive abilities. It doesn't take range into account.
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Postby ironman » Tue May 18, 2004 4:48 pm

Pogotheostrich wrote:
ironman wrote:
LCBOY wrote:
ironman wrote:If you were to base it totally on defense you'd have to give props to Steve Garvey and Donnie Baseball.

Anyway I gotta go with Gehrig.


Actually, Hal Chase, Kieth Hernandez, and J.T. Snow were better defensive 1B...


Lets look at the lifetime fielding %

Don Mattingly - .996
Steve Garvey - .996
J.T. Snow - .995
Keith Hernandez - .994
Hal Chase - .980

All those guys are good but I wouldn't necessarily say they were any better defensively.
I don't know who was better defensively but fielding % is a very poor measure of defensive abilities. It doesn't take range into account.


Fair Enough. Here they are ranked by Range Factor.

Chase - 10.60
Hernandez - 9.73
Garvey - 9.65
Mattingly - 9.33
Snow - 8.47
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Postby LCBOY » Tue May 18, 2004 10:08 pm

Arlo wrote:
LCBOY wrote:
DK wrote:By the way, Thomas and Bagwell are probably top 10, but I wouldn't say 5.


I'd put Bagwell in the top 5. Can you name five better 1B? Hmmm...perhaps another debate DK? }:-)

Could be an interesting one, particularly since there's so many criteria you can go by! ;-D

(Although I have to admit Bagwell doesn't make my top 5, either...)


I ask again, can you name five 1B in history that are clearly better than Bag Pipes?
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