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Postby RocketsDWM » Thu Jan 11, 2007 4:03 pm

Chrisy Moltisanti wrote:
RocketsDWM wrote:
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RocketsDWM wrote: But what is some good evidence is that Gene Orza called Sweeney. Was he just calling to say hello?


Where you in on the conference call? Or did an anonymous source tell you this?


ESPN.com and just about everyone else is reporting it. And why would Axelrod, Sweeney's agent, be compelled to say something?

I am pretty sure it happened and there was a positive test going by what has been written. But go on believing that it didnt.

Nothing can take down Bonds, not even a positive test.


They are reporting that the NY Daily is reporting it.

Have I stated that I don't believe it?

I'm saying it's stupid to assume it's true and make such statements as you have until you know.


Bonds is already "taken down". So what are referring to?


So do you believe it or not? Seems as though you dont.
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Postby Armed and Hammered » Thu Jan 11, 2007 4:07 pm

deerayfan072 wrote:It does amaze me though how out of 100 only Bonds name was leaked.


Doesn't surprise me in the least.
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Postby Chrisy Moltisanti » Thu Jan 11, 2007 4:08 pm

RocketsDWM wrote:
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RocketsDWM wrote:
Chrisy Moltisanti wrote:
RocketsDWM wrote: But what is some good evidence is that Gene Orza called Sweeney. Was he just calling to say hello?


Where you in on the conference call? Or did an anonymous source tell you this?


ESPN.com and just about everyone else is reporting it. And why would Axelrod, Sweeney's agent, be compelled to say something?

I am pretty sure it happened and there was a positive test going by what has been written. But go on believing that it didnt.

Nothing can take down Bonds, not even a positive test.


They are reporting that the NY Daily is reporting it.

Have I stated that I don't believe it?

I'm saying it's stupid to assume it's true and make such statements as you have until you know.


Bonds is already "taken down". So what are referring to?


So do you believe it or not? Seems as though you dont.


That's not relevant to the discussion. The only real answer is "I don't know", or " I can be a major a-hole and walk around destroying someones character without really knowing if they deserve it"

Does everyone realize this article is hearsay at this point?

Show me a fact, which at the very least has been confirmed by both interested parties .
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Postby AcidRock23 » Thu Jan 11, 2007 4:11 pm

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mweir145 wrote:And not to say that I believe him about Sweeney, but who's to say he's lying either? Keep in mind that these things were all over clubhouses heading into 2006, and still may have been widely available. It wouldn't be surprising for a veteran like Mark Sweeney to still have them in his locker.

Whether Sweeney has them in his locker is his own problem. Unless Sweeney forced them down Bonds throat, there is absolutely no excuse for Bonds to take them from someone else's locker, and put them in his own body without knowing what it was.


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Postby mweir145 » Thu Jan 11, 2007 4:13 pm

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chadlincoln wrote:Let me predict how this thread is going to go:

25 club members are going to defend Bonds to the death

Someone is going to come along and think they can persuade the 25 club members that Bonds cheated/used roids/is guilty and we'll have 20 pages of the same arguements that we already have 200 pages on.

So let's save us all some time here and wait until something that the 25 club members would consider to be legit/valid/official before we go through the same old arguements.


This is so true. When I first heard the new story this morning, one of my first thoughts was how the 25 club on here was going to try to spin it. "Everybody else did it", "It should never have been leaked", "Sources aren't credible". So far, I have not been disappointed.

First of all, it's part of the drug testing agreement that the results shouldn't be leaked. It's part of the rules that it should not happen.. That's not spinning it at all. That's just showing that there may be some people out there out to get Barry.

Second of all, I can make the basic assumption that many other players failed this test just like Barry, as amphetamines have been used in this sport daily by many players all their lives. If there was one positive test for this stuff, you can definitely bet there were others, considering the availability of this stuff in clubhouses.

I'm not sure where anybody said the sources weren't credible. I believe people referred to the fact that this report isn't official, which is also true.

So yeah, where is this spinning you're talking about?

BTW, I also already acknowledged that if he tested positive for something, and it appears he did, he was in the wrong. So please...stop labeling "25" club members, it just makes you look stupid. I've always figured Bonds had taken PEDs just as many others did, I'm not naive. It doesn't make me any less a fan of watching the greatest ballplayer of our time.
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Postby Lofunzo » Thu Jan 11, 2007 4:17 pm

Deuce wrote:
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Deuce wrote:Was Mark Sweeney tested? Where are those results? Even if they were negative, why not post those too? Because if Sweeney's test proves to be positive, there goes the story. Barry had to be the only one doing them. <img src=/forums/images/smiles/kiss.gif>

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Its nice how he threw Mark under the bus...had to take someone with him. He even told Mark that he wasnt trying to blame him and that it wasnt anything against him. Good for you Barry - alienate one of your only "friends" on that team.

And you would think all of Barry's "friends" in the clubhouse (the numerous trainers and entourage he brings along) that he wouldnt have to go to Mark's locker to get something. I'm sure they could have supplied it to him as they have done in the past.

Have you read "Game of Shadows"?


What entourage are you talking about? Have you ever seen this entourage? You read far too many papers. These people you refer to as Barry's entourage do not work for Barry exclusively. In fact, the people you are probably referring to do not have access to the locker room. Please post from fact, what you have read in the paper, was years ago and no longer fact.

I have not read "Game of Shadows". I go to the park and watch up close and personal. I would rather see it, as opposed to being told about. The story is never accurate in print.


What "facts" are you talking about?? Up until this, his defenders always brought up how it was a fact that he never failed a drug test. Apparently, that is false.

Now, let's talk about you going to the park and witnessing things, as bolded above. What exactly are you seeing?? I know that much of what is in print is fabricated but what can you possibly see by sitting in the stands?? Unless you also had a clubhouse pass, I don't see how going to the games matters here.

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RocketsDWM wrote: I am pretty sure it happened and there was a positive test going by what has been written. But go on believing that it didnt.

Nothing can take down Bonds, not even a positive test.


Why would this take him down?


I'll go out on a limb here. For years, Bonds and his supporters have claimed that he never failed a drug test. They always had that leg to stand on. Now, apparently that is false.

1 thing that makes me laugh is that his supporters always said how there was no proof that he did steroids and that he just worked out hard. Then, when it was apparent that he had in fact done steroids, their argument changed to how Aaron took greenies, this guy took greenies, and that guy took greenies. We know find out that Bonds did both. What will the next excuse be??
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Postby mweir145 » Thu Jan 11, 2007 4:19 pm

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mweir145 wrote:And not to say that I believe him about Sweeney, but who's to say he's lying either? Keep in mind that these things were all over clubhouses heading into 2006, and still may have been widely available. It wouldn't be surprising for a veteran like Mark Sweeney to still have them in his locker.

Whether Sweeney has them in his locker is his own problem. Unless Sweeney forced them down Bonds throat, there is absolutely no excuse for Bonds to take them from someone else's locker, and put them in his own body without knowing what it was.

Did I say there was an excuse for Bonds to take them from someone else's locker? No. Bottomline, if they were amphetamines (Sweeney's or his), he should have known he would be caught. It's very hard to mask taking those things. And I don't think he would have just consumed something from a bottle without knowing what they were, athletes just don't do that.

I was just suggesting the possibility that he may not have been lying. I didn't defend his actions.
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Postby mweir145 » Thu Jan 11, 2007 4:23 pm

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deerayfan072 wrote:It does amaze me though how out of 100 only Bonds name was leaked.


To my knowledge this isnt concerning the document with those 100 names but something separate.

It couldn't be concerning the 100 names, because back then...only 3 years ago, there were no tests for amphetamines in baseball.
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Postby mweir145 » Thu Jan 11, 2007 4:24 pm

RocketsDWM wrote:[
Nothing can take down Bonds, not even a positive test.

And certainly not a positive test that doesn't even give out a punishment.
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Postby eftda » Thu Jan 11, 2007 4:26 pm

mweir145 wrote:
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mweir145 wrote:And not to say that I believe him about Sweeney, but who's to say he's lying either? Keep in mind that these things were all over clubhouses heading into 2006, and still may have been widely available. It wouldn't be surprising for a veteran like Mark Sweeney to still have them in his locker.

Whether Sweeney has them in his locker is his own problem. Unless Sweeney forced them down Bonds throat, there is absolutely no excuse for Bonds to take them from someone else's locker, and put them in his own body without knowing what it was.

Did I say there was an excuse for Bonds to take them from someone else's locker? No. Bottomline, if they were amphetamines (Sweeney's or his), he should have known he would be caught. It's very hard to mask taking those things. And I don't think he would have just consumed something from a bottle without knowing what they were, athletes just don't do that.

I was just suggesting the possibility that he may not have been lying. I didn't defend his actions.


How true. Seems like whenever someone says something bad about Bonds then "It must be true." As always I'll take the grown up approach to the Bonds matter, and wait for more information.
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