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Postby Galt » Mon Jan 08, 2007 1:22 am

[quote="ukjohn"]I think they are both top 5-7 pitching prospects, but I would go with Kershaw slightly higher than Adenhart. It is a toss up though, IMO[/quote]

Whaaaaaa?????

That's insane. I guess an argument could be made for top 20 or maybe top 15. But 5-7? You've got to be kidding. Name one of these ten pitchers who would be behind either of those two?

Hughes
Bailey
Garza
Adam Miller
Andrew Miller
Elbert
Pelfrey
Gallardo
Lincecum
Hochevar
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Postby ukjohn » Tue Jan 09, 2007 12:22 pm

Galt wrote:
ukjohn wrote:I think they are both top 5-7 pitching prospects, but I would go with Kershaw slightly higher than Adenhart. It is a toss up though, IMO


Whaaaaaa?????

That's insane. I guess an argument could be made for top 20 or maybe top 15. But 5-7? You've got to be kidding. Name one of these ten pitchers who would be behind either of those two?

Hughes
Bailey
Garza
Adam Miller
Andrew Miller
Elbert
Pelfrey
Gallardo
Lincecum
Hochevar


Garza, Adam Miller, Elbert, Gallardo, Hochevar
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Postby Galt » Tue Jan 09, 2007 10:32 pm

Of course you're entitled to your opinion, but it goes against any list published.

Garza and Gallardo are universal top 5 guys.

Elbert is ahead of Kershaw on every single list (way ahead) ranking Dodgers prospects.

The highest possible argument would be top 8. Ahead of Hochevar and Andrew Miller.
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Postby ukjohn » Mon Jan 22, 2007 11:06 am

Galt wrote:Of course you're entitled to your opinion, but it goes against any list published.

Garza and Gallardo are universal top 5 guys.

Elbert is ahead of Kershaw on every single list (way ahead) ranking Dodgers prospects.

The highest possible argument would be top 8. Ahead of Hochevar and Andrew Miller.


Jim Callis's top pitching prospects (baseball america)

1. Daisuke Matsuzaka, rhp, Red Sox
2. Philip Hughes, rhp, Yankees
3. Homer Bailey, rhp, Reds
4. Tim Lincecum, rhp, Giants
5. Andrew Miller, lhp, Tigers
6. Yovani Gallardo, rhp, Brewers
7. Matt Garza, rhp, Twins
8. Clayton Kershaw, lhp, Dodgers
9. Scott Elbert, lhp, Dodgers
10. Adam Miller, rhp, Indians
11. Mike Pelfrey, rhp, Mets
12. Luke Hochevar, rhp, Royals
13. Nick Adenhart, rhp, Angels

I guess Garza and Gallardo aren't universal top 5 guys.

I guess Elbert isn't listed way ahead of Kershaw on every list.

Adenhart is a little low, but Kershaw is still in the top 8 and thats including Matsuzaka.
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Postby nathan050904 » Mon Jan 22, 2007 12:41 pm

No offense but, I will take Jim Callis' opinion over anyone here. I really respect his opinion on prospects. I tend to agree with his list but, I really don't consider Matszuzaka a prospect. I don't like to look at anyone who's played professional ball in Japan as a prospect esp. when they are 26 years old. So for me the top pitching prospect would be Hughes. I think for whatever reason publicity or whatever Dice-K is somewhat overrated but, that's just my opinion. Anyways, Kershaw is a stud and I wouldn't be surprised to see him #1 on that list as early as next year. He's that good.

I think I have to put both Adenhart and Kershaw inside my top 10 pitching prospects.

Luke Hochevar is vastly overrated. His stuff isn't elite. He's more of like a Jered Weaver where decent stuff + command = good pitcher. Therefore Hochevar sits outside my top 10.
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Postby TurdFerguson » Mon Jan 22, 2007 12:53 pm

I agree with that list except I would have Miller ahead of Kershaw and Elbert.I guess people still worry about the injury Miller had.
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Postby nathan050904 » Mon Jan 22, 2007 1:58 pm

Yes, I am high on Adam Miller. I own him in my dynasty league. I don't think his injuries are really that big of a concern. Infact, his injury has made him a better pitcher. He realizes that he doesn't have to throw 100mph+ to be successful so theres less stress on his body cause hes no longer max effort. I like him alot and he may fit in my top 8 or even top 5.
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