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Why would anyone even think of voting Mattingly in the HOF?

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Postby acsguitar » Mon Jan 08, 2007 3:09 pm

5. Voting — Voting shall be based upon the player's record, playing ability, integrity, sportsmanship, character, and contributions to the team(s) on which the player played.


If the above is correct then I'd say Mattingly is a HOFer and Big Head is not.
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Postby Yoda » Mon Jan 08, 2007 3:13 pm

He was arguably the best offensive player in AL (possibly NL also) from 84-86 with GG defense. His back prevented him from maintaining that status but I can understand why people would vote for him.
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Why would anyone even think of voting Mattingly in the HOF?

Postby kemper5 » Mon Jan 08, 2007 3:39 pm

Who would you guys vote in 1st to the HOF..Jim Rice or Mattingly? Games played are not too far off .. They both dominated their leagues in their prime..

Rice 382 HR, 1451 RBI, .298 career Ave
Donnie 222 HR, 1099 RBI (lets call it 1100), .307 Career BA 9 GG's 8-o
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Re: Why would anyone even think of voting Mattingly in the HOF?

Postby Pogotheostrich » Mon Jan 08, 2007 3:53 pm

kemper5 wrote:Who would you guys vote in 1st to the HOF..Jim Rice or Mattingly?
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Postby Tavish » Mon Jan 08, 2007 4:44 pm

kemper5 wrote:Who would you guys vote in 1st to the HOF..Jim Rice or Mattingly? Games played are not too far off .. They both dominated their leagues in their prime..

Rice 382 HR, 1451 RBI, .298 career Ave
Donnie 222 HR, 1099 RBI (lets call it 1100), .307 Career BA 9 GG's 8-o


Will Clark was as dominating as Mattingly was. Clark didn't survive the first year of voting.

Albert Belle was way more dominating than Rice was. He barely survived the first year of voting.

I vote for neither. They are both very good players but the great hitters from that era are already in the Hall.
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Re: Why would anyone even think of voting Mattingly in the H

Postby acsguitar » Mon Jan 08, 2007 5:38 pm

Tavish wrote:
kemper5 wrote:Who would you guys vote in 1st to the HOF..Jim Rice or Mattingly? Games played are not too far off .. They both dominated their leagues in their prime..

Rice 382 HR, 1451 RBI, .298 career Ave
Donnie 222 HR, 1099 RBI (lets call it 1100), .307 Career BA 9 GG's 8-o


Will Clark was as dominating as Mattingly was. Clark didn't survive the first year of voting.

Albert Belle was way more dominating than Rice was. He barely survived the first year of voting.

I vote for neither. They are both very good players but the great hitters from that era are already in the Hall.


Stats wise the are not HOF material but does the Hall really ask for integrity etc...subjective things like that
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Re: Why would anyone even think of voting Mattingly in the H

Postby dmendro » Mon Jan 08, 2007 6:08 pm

acsguitar wrote:Stats wise the are not HOF material but does the Hall really ask for integrity etc...subjective things like that



It does, but never seems to be voted that way.
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Re: Why would anyone even think of voting Mattingly in the H

Postby acsguitar » Mon Jan 08, 2007 7:00 pm

dmendro wrote:
acsguitar wrote:Stats wise the are not HOF material but does the Hall really ask for integrity etc...subjective things like that



It does, but never seems to be voted that way.


Well if there is criteria that says that personal intergrity etc... should be a big part of the vote then I think we have our votes all wrong.
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Postby GotowarMissAgnes » Mon Jan 08, 2007 10:06 pm

dmendro wrote:For those in a coma or not yet born during the 80's, Don Mattingly was a terror on the diamond, both defensively and offensively. He finished in the top 5 for MVP voting 3 times, runner up once and MVP winner once. 9 times GG winner, 3 times Silver Slugger winner, 5 time all-star, one of the few hitters out there that walked more then he struck out and was a major contributer to baseball both on and off the field.


I was born in the 1960s and Mattingly was only a terror at bat for 1984-86. After that he was decidedly average for a first baseman, and from age 29 he was barely even average for any player. Similarly, while a great fielder early in his career, his last 5 or 6 GG, like is often the case with GG, were awarded for reputation, not performance.

If Mattingly had continued his early career performance for another half dozen years, then had additional years of good performance, he might have a case. But, on his actual performance, he's not even within spitting distance.
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Postby GotowarMissAgnes » Mon Jan 08, 2007 10:08 pm

Yoda wrote:He was arguably the best offensive player in AL (possibly NL also) from 84-86 with GG defense. His back prevented him from maintaining that status but I can understand why people would vote for him.


???

I don't understand that. Three great years = Hall of Fame?
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