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Postby Absolutely Adequate » Wed Dec 20, 2006 10:41 pm

I find it hard to believe that Trot Nixon is the 94th best right-fielder of all time.
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Postby Trot Nixon » Wed Dec 20, 2006 11:21 pm

Absolutely Adequate wrote:I find it hard to believe that Trot Nixon is the 94th best right-fielder of all time.
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Postby djacks » Wed Dec 20, 2006 11:52 pm

Maddux has been a great pitcher...but #3 all-time is a bit of a stretch.
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Postby CadensDad » Thu Dec 21, 2006 12:40 am

djacks wrote:Maddux has been a great pitcher...but #3 all-time is a bit of a stretch.


How so?
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Postby thedude » Thu Dec 21, 2006 1:02 am

CadensDad wrote:
djacks wrote:Maddux has been a great pitcher...but #3 all-time is a bit of a stretch.


How so?


Because Pedro, Clemens, Cy Young, Mathewson, and Pete Alexander were all better pitchers. Maddux in my mind might be equal with Seaver though.
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Postby Lofunzo » Thu Dec 21, 2006 1:52 am

suppasonic wrote:C-Piazza was far and away the best offensive catcher of all time. Top 3.
1B- Allen seems a little high and banks too low.
2B-Kent higher, Collins not #1.
3B- No major dissagreement
SS- No way is Larkin #2. I think they overrate the modern SS here a little bit except for A-Rod and Ripken.
LF-If you aren't going to severely penalize Bonds, then make him #1. Either you make him #30 or #1. Same with Rose. He is at least better then Raines and Minoso.
CF- While any of the top 4 are really legitimate contenders, I think Mays has to be #1.
RF- Maury Allen had Aaron ranked higher than Ruth. But looks good.

SP- Looks Decentish. Im not sure if I 'd have Wadell, Keefe, and Walsh that high. I'd probably put Pedro and RJ behind guys like Feller, Carlton, and Kofaux. Joss is way too high.

RP- Having the best 3 year span for a reliever doesnt get you into the top 20? Poor Gagne. Otherwise it looks good. Benitez too high.


Are you really arguing that Gagne should be higher on an all-time relievers list?? :-°
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Postby suppasonic » Thu Dec 21, 2006 2:19 am

Yes. I think if you have the best 3 years ever at your position, even with little longevity (See: Koufax), you deserve higher then guys who pitched decently for a very long time.
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Postby mak1277 » Thu Dec 21, 2006 10:19 am

Pogotheostrich wrote:1B - Maybe it is cause I only saw the tail end of Murray's career but no way is he the 3rd best 1B ever.


I definitely thought the same thing when I saw that. I'm sure he's getting bonus points for having 3,000 hits and 500 HRs. According to baseball reference, his top 4 most comparable players are Palmeiro, Winfield, Yaz and Al Kaline. Hall of Famers, sure, but not enough to vault Eddie into the top 3 all time at first base I don't think.
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Postby BritSox » Thu Dec 21, 2006 11:01 am

suppasonic wrote:LF-If you aren't going to severely penalize Bonds, then make him #1. Either you make him #30 or #1. Same with Rose.


Erm... you don't have to bring steroids into it at all to put Williams over Bonds.


Wilbur wrote:How bout "The Say Hey Kid" Willie Mays being 4th among rf's? 3200 hits, 500+ doubles, 600+ homers, 300+ stolen bases, .302 lifetime batting average, .557 slugging pct., .384 on base pct. He should be #2 at the lowest. Give props to Mickey Mantle and Tris Speaker, but I think Willie Mays and Ty Cobb clearly are 1 and 1A.

I was going to jump on this, but clearly you just meant to write Cf instead of RF. The top two in right are obvious.
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Postby thedude » Thu Dec 21, 2006 11:08 am

suppasonic wrote:Yes. I think if you have the best 3 years ever at your position, even with little longevity (See: Koufax), you deserve higher then guys who pitched decently for a very long time.


Expect Koufax had 6 great years, which still don't put him in my top 15.
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