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Postby chadlincoln » Wed Dec 20, 2006 5:07 pm

http://www.thebaseballpage.com/positions/rankings/

One that jumped out at me was Barry Larkin #2 best SS ever?

Other thoughts?
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Postby mak1277 » Wed Dec 20, 2006 5:27 pm

At that same position, Ripken ranking only 11th. Interesting to me because I was recently reading the JAWS (HoF "rankings") for Ripken on Baseball Prospectus and that formula has him ranked #2 overall at SS, with third place (ARod) not particularly close.
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Postby Lofunzo » Wed Dec 20, 2006 5:29 pm

To me, Morgan at #4 for 2B and Quisenberry at #3 for RP really stoof out. I also find it funny how many people say that Barry is the best player ever yet he isn't even #1 at his position here.
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Postby mak1277 » Wed Dec 20, 2006 5:35 pm

Interesting note on the rankings:

"Player rankings at this position according to The Baseball Page. Rankings based on career stats, peak stats, post-season performance, awards, and sabrmetric methods."
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Postby Havok1517 » Wed Dec 20, 2006 5:40 pm

I think Morgan and Hornsby are clearly better than Collins at 2B and Arod and Banks (They have him listed as a 1B. I know he played 11 years at 1B/3B but he played 9 elite years at SS) should be 1, 2 at SS imo. Also, a lot of guys that didn't DH or couldn't would have been better than any listed. I mean Kaline, Greenberg, & Foxx would have all been great DHs.
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Postby Wilbur » Wed Dec 20, 2006 6:27 pm

How bout "The Say Hey Kid" Willie Mays being 4th among rf's? 3200 hits, 500+ doubles, 600+ homers, 300+ stolen bases, .302 lifetime batting average, .557 slugging pct., .384 on base pct. He should be #2 at the lowest. Give props to Mickey Mantle and Tris Speaker, but I think Willie Mays and Ty Cobb clearly are 1 and 1A.
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Postby SteveJeltzPhanClub » Wed Dec 20, 2006 7:41 pm

Here are my rankings, while we are on the topic:

C- Josh Gibson (Bench is a distant 2nd there)
1B- Lou Gerhig (with Pujols on his heels)
2B- Joe Morgan
3B- Mike Schmidt (Aside from Ruth- the biggest no-brainer)
SS- Honus Wagner
LF- Ted Williams
CF- Willie Mays (tight between him and Cobb)
RF- Babe Ruth (#1 all-time overall- miles ahead of Bonds)
P- Satchel Paige (Clemens would be a desrving #1 as well)
RP- Mariano Riviera
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Postby suppasonic » Wed Dec 20, 2006 8:56 pm

C-Piazza was far and away the best offensive catcher of all time. Top 3.
1B- Allen seems a little high and banks too low.
2B-Kent higher, Collins not #1.
3B- No major dissagreement
SS- No way is Larkin #2. I think they overrate the modern SS here a little bit except for A-Rod and Ripken.
LF-If you aren't going to severely penalize Bonds, then make him #1. Either you make him #30 or #1. Same with Rose. He is at least better then Raines and Minoso.
CF- While any of the top 4 are really legitimate contenders, I think Mays has to be #1.
RF- Maury Allen had Aaron ranked higher than Ruth. But looks good.

SP- Looks Decentish. Im not sure if I 'd have Wadell, Keefe, and Walsh that high. I'd probably put Pedro and RJ behind guys like Feller, Carlton, and Kofaux. Joss is way too high.

RP- Having the best 3 year span for a reliever doesnt get you into the top 20? Poor Gagne. Otherwise it looks good. Benitez too high.
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Postby BigLebowski » Wed Dec 20, 2006 10:15 pm

I'd say Ruth is the #1 SP of all time. Any pitcher with that many HR's is a beast.
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Postby Pogotheostrich » Wed Dec 20, 2006 10:26 pm

C - I'd put Campy 3rd. Simmons is way too low. I-Rod and Piazza should both be bumped up a little.

1B - Maybe it is cause I only saw the tail end of Murray's career but no way is he the 3rd best 1B ever.

2B - Collins isn't a bad choice but I'd go with Hornsby.

3B - No problems here. I actually like Rosen higher but he had a pretty short career.

SS - A-Rod is too low and Banks needs to be on here. His best years were as a SS and he played over 1000 games at short.

LF - Yaz is too high for my tastes. Raines seems to high too.

CF - Give me Mays but that top 4 is awesome.

RF - Vlad and Clemente should be bumped up some.
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