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Postby jbauer2485 » Thu Dec 14, 2006 10:02 pm

I hate the individual forums also. I just didn't understand why the Devil Rays got moved and this one didn't. They can all come back, that would be fine with me.
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Postby The Cow » Fri Dec 15, 2006 12:47 am

Melo255 wrote:A few things...

The Boston media DOES make it's living ripping the Red Sox. For every positive story or hopeful rumor there are 50 articles about how it's all going to end in a fireball of disappointment and misery. The Boston media IS biased - against the Red Sox. Trust me every media person in Boston lives to tear down every move of every team - except the Patriots who have a free pass for now for the most part.

Second, the rumor of Clemens likely to sign with the Red Sox came from the Houston Chronicle as was reported by not just Gordon Edes of the Boston Globe but ESPN and other outlets. The story was not born in Boston just reported here.

Thirdly, and this is just my opinion, to compare the Indians rotation with the Red Sox's as about equal is just crazy. Are you actually trying to say you would take the tribes 5 over the Sox's 5? That's ridiculous.


Well I think some of Boston's SPs are overrated.
Schilling is aging fast
Beckett is always hurt
Matsuzaka is well he hasn't thrown one ML pitch
Wakefield is a #5 SP
Papelbon- does anyone know if he is actually healthy? I mean the guy's arm broke down throwing what 70 innings, whats it going to do at 200 IPs fall off?
HUGE question marks in the Boston rotation in all honesty.

As for the Tribe rotation I will take this unheralded, unESPN'd bunch for sure.
C.C. is as good or better than any Boston SP
westbrook- look at his numbers I dare you, very solid
Lee- a little inconsistent, but the talent is there, I compare him to Beckett without the blisters
Sowers- not flashy, not a hard thrower, but effective
Byrd- Well, well, well he sucks, but as a #5 not bad

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Matsuzaka projected stats?

Postby kcbrett5 » Sun Dec 17, 2006 12:23 pm

WHat would you say Dice-K's stats might end up at by the end of the year?

IP-200 Has pitched 200 innings before, so he should beable to get in 200. The cold may slow him down at the begginning and end. But i see a pretty reliable arm.

Wins-17. Probably would have said the same about Beckett last year, but i think he should see 17 wins with a decent offense here.

ERA-3.50. Probably at the highest. could se it go as low as 3.00.

BB- 50. Good control but not Maddux like. He shold have a fairly low walk rate.

SO- 175. Not quite a 9.0K rate but close. i see him striking out 7-8 a game.

bottom line is that he should have good stats for 2007.
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Re: Matsuzaka projected stats?

Postby The Cow » Sun Dec 17, 2006 2:04 pm

kcbrett5 wrote:WHat would you say Dice-K's stats might end up at by the end of the year?

IP-200 Has pitched 200 innings before, so he should beable to get in 200. The cold may slow him down at the begginning and end. But i see a pretty reliable arm.

Wins-17. Probably would have said the same about Beckett last year, but i think he should see 17 wins with a decent offense here.

ERA-3.50. Probably at the highest. could se it go as low as 3.00.

BB- 50. Good control but not Maddux like. He shold have a fairly low walk rate.

SO- 175. Not quite a 9.0K rate but close. i see him striking out 7-8 a game.

bottom line is that he should have good stats for 2007.


Its not Matsuzaka that would worry me, I think he will have a good year. It sthe other four that worry me. If Papelbon is healthy that would help. Schilling's age and decreasing effectiveness is a factor. Beckett well there is a long list of reasons to worry about him. And Wakefield is a #5 SP nothing special. All 5 of the Boston SPs have question marks, but I will give you that Matsuzaka should be fine.

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Postby Melo255 » Wed Dec 20, 2006 8:42 am

The Cow wrote:Papelbon- does anyone know if he is actually healthy? I mean the guy's arm broke down throwing what 70 innings, whats it going to do at 200 IPs fall off?


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It's clear you have no understanding of Papelbon's injury at all. His injury and the pain related with it is the result of sometimes 2-4 straight days of throwing even if only 1 inning at a time. It's not the total amount of innings thrown but rather the frequency with which he was throwing that was the problem.
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Re: Matsuzaka projected stats?

Postby BritSox » Wed Dec 20, 2006 8:59 am

kcbrett5 wrote:


Wins-17. Probably would have said the same about Beckett last year, but i think he should see 17 wins with a decent offense here.



Well, Beckett did actually win 16, so you wouldn't have been that far off.
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Postby APAP » Thu Feb 08, 2007 5:05 pm

Plus if Wily Mo goes, I'll have to change my sig..... :-t
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