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Postby Amazinz » Mon May 14, 2007 11:34 am

josebach wrote:
Amazinz wrote:This is a silly argument but I'm going to jump in anyway because I'm bored. :-D

Zombies, by definition, are not undead they are are soulless. So I think calling 28 Days/Weeks Later a zombie movie is correct in the traditional sense. It is not a zombie in the contemporary sense (Romero-style zombies).


I'm bored too. Where did you get your definition from? Dictionary.com, has this:

You're probably going to think I am a kook for refuting Dictionary.com but that is a slightly inaccurate definition. In voodoo the victim has their soul removed and are an animated body. They don't actually die in the process. And yes we're "arguing" about something that doesn't really exist but whatever. Maybe I'm wrong but that's my understanding and I'm sticking with it. :-D

But for sake of argument, let's go with the Dictionary.com definition. I think you can make the argument that 28DL zombies are still traditional zombies because the virus kills the "person" and animates the body. The only difference is that they are not rising from the grave like the contemporary Romero zombie.

Also I should add that I had a better point than just arguing semantics. 28DL has had an incredible influence on the genre and the zombies in new B-horror flicks are starting to resemble 28DL zombies more than Romero zombies.
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Postby josebach » Mon May 14, 2007 11:39 am

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Amazinz wrote:This is a silly argument but I'm going to jump in anyway because I'm bored. :-D

Zombies, by definition, are not undead they are are soulless. So I think calling 28 Days/Weeks Later a zombie movie is correct in the traditional sense. It is not a zombie in the contemporary sense (Romero-style zombies).


I'm bored too. Where did you get your definition from? Dictionary.com, has this:

You're probably going to think I am a kook for refuting Dictionary.com but that is a slightly inaccurate definition. In voodoo the victim has their soul removed and are an animated body. They don't actually die in the process. And yes we're "arguing" about something that doesn't really exist but whatever. Maybe I'm wrong but that's my understanding and I'm sticking with it. :-D

But for sake of argument, let's go with the Dictionary.com definition. I think you can make the argument that 28DL zombies are still traditional zombies because the virus kills the "person" and animates the body. The only difference is that they are not rising from the grave like the contemporary Romero zombie.

Also I should add that I had a better point than just arguing semantics. 28DL has had an incredible influence on the genre and the zombies in new B-horror flicks are starting to resemble 28DL zombies more than Romero zombies.


I didn't see the original Dawn of the Dead, but the 2004 remake also had zombies running. Did they run in the original?
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Postby Amazinz » Mon May 14, 2007 11:39 am

StlSluggers wrote:
josebach wrote:Fair enough. I dont' think they explained why the women were infertile because nobody knew. They also didn't know how the black woman became pregnant, which was why she was so important. The ending occurred showing the "Human Project" boat getting ready to pick her up and gave the viewer the sense that all hope was not lost and that a cure would be possible.

I got that. I didn't want to mention the ending explicity in case anyone was thinking of seeing it. But you have to admit that the fact that the boat was named "Tomorrow" was a bit trite.

Have you guys heard of the Dramatica system for analyzing stories? There is an analysis of this movie that touches on the "Tomorrow" issue. I really liked this movie but something felt off and I didn't realize what it was until I read this guy's analysis. Now I no longer think CoM gut snubbed. It was a good movie that just "missed the boat" so to speak. :-D

If you're interested in this type of thing here is the article: http://dailydramatica.com/2007/04/03/ch ... -analysis/
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Postby Amazinz » Mon May 14, 2007 11:41 am

josebach wrote:I didn't see the original Dawn of the Dead, but the 2004 remake also had zombies running. Did they run in the original?

It's been a long while since I saw it but I am pretty sure they did not move fast in the original.
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Postby ironman » Mon May 14, 2007 11:41 am

Dr. Duran Duran wrote:
CheeseBeger wrote:The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen
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It was on TV and I think my favorite part was from the DVD extras that they also show. Connery said "Well around the same time I was offered roles in The Matrix and Lord of the Rings, but I didn't really understand those movies so I didn't take them."

Nice choice Sean.


Wow, he really said that? Oooookay. :-?

I was so excited when LXG came out several years ago. Man, was I disappointed on so many levels. Easily one of the worst Connery films I've ever seen. Well, Meteor might have been worse, but not by much. :-P


Next to Elektra and Catwoman, League was probably one of the worst comic book films done in recent years.
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Postby Amazinz » Mon May 14, 2007 11:46 am

Am I the only one that liked Elektra? :-D

I'm a sucker for comic book movies though. Still hated League.
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Postby StlSluggers » Mon May 14, 2007 11:51 am

Amazinz wrote:If you're interested in this type of thing here is the article: http://dailydramatica.com/2007/04/03/ch ... -analysis/

Interesting. The director was going for "The Lady and the Tiger" effect. :-?

I didn't like it. :-D
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Postby StlSluggers » Mon May 14, 2007 11:57 am

Got a question for you guys.

Do you think the infertility was supposed to symbolize something? I mean, the movie was rife with symbolism. Do you think that the issue of infertility was supposed to have a meaning, or was it simply a plot driver to allow them the explore other topics?

I can think of a number of potential meanings for infertility, but I really don't have one idea that I think holds any weight in the circumstances of the movie. I'd like to hear what you guys think.
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Postby josebach » Mon May 14, 2007 12:10 pm

StlSluggers wrote:Got a question for you guys.

Do you think the infertility was supposed to symbolize something? I mean, the movie was rife with symbolism. Do you think that the issue of infertility was supposed to have a meaning, or was it simply a plot driver to allow them the explore other topics?

I can think of a number of potential meanings for infertility, but I really don't have one idea that I think holds any weight in the circumstances of the movie. I'd like to hear what you guys think.


We'd have to ask the author of the book the movie was based on most likely. My guess would be "no" and that the idea just came about by the author speculating on possible future causes for human extinction and of those possible causes he chose infertility because it was both feasible and original.

I may be in the minority, but I really liked the ending of the movie and can totally see why the director went that route.
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Postby Amazinz » Mon May 14, 2007 12:21 pm

You can probably file this under obvious :*) but I think infertility was symbolic of the despair of the human condition. This isn't an original theme by any stretch. I also do not think that the infertility was chosen simply as a plot driver. It's the core situation affecting everyone in the story.
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