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Re: Rate the last movie you saw

Postby GiantsFan14 » Mon Mar 31, 2008 10:52 pm

vtigers23 wrote:Step up 2- 1/10 (not by choice)

Alvin and the Chipmunks- 5/10 (not by choice)

Enchanted- 5/10 (not by choice)


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Re: Rate the last movie you saw

Postby thedude » Mon Mar 31, 2008 11:15 pm

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Mookie4ever wrote:Imagine if at the end of No Country for Old Men, Javier Bardem's character Chigur, instead of killing Moss' wife, he respects her for refusing to call heads or tails and b/c she has earned his respect he gives her the stolen money and lets her live. What kind of a pussy ending would that be? Chigur's character was so great b/c he was a believable bad guy. Crowe turned out to be a Disney bad guy and Bale's character's motivation was not believable at all and for him to want to commit suicide at the end by just standing there and letting himself get shot was just absurd. Happy endings sometimes are a total letdown - this was one of those cases.



So what? Ben Wade is a complex dynamic character while Chigurh is a static. Wade has depth, he is not a thoughtless killer, with no empathy. He may not have tons of compassion for his follow man, but he has some.

What is more realistic? That every single character in a movie is only either good or evil, or that everyone has both good and evil in his heart. In No Country for Old Men no character is really dynamic at all, the Sheriff is an old school throwback law man who is shocked at the violence of his county and doesn't like kids with Green Hair, Llewelyn Moss is a Vietnam vet who finds money, Chigurh is a ruthless killer, who miraculously (btw very unrealistically) aviods capture, ect... Ben Wade has depth: he is smart, ruthless, greedy, and yet has some compassion for the little guy who is being stepped on by those in power (somewhat similar to the way he feels, rightly or wrongly, persecuted). Just because Ben Wade is willing to give a man who has fallen on hard times some money (without sacrificing anything, mind you) does not make him less realistic than a guy who travels the highways murdering people for their pickups.


Don't forget artistic. He draws a neat bird. There's depth for ya.

btw - if he wanted to give a man who has fallen on hard times some money why didn't he just reach into his pocket or maybe into that chest of money that he just robbed out of that stagecoach?!?!? I know, because it adds so much more depth to run through an entire town of people trying to kill you (and don't tell your gang to back off b/c you need the realism so the son will believe it), kill your gang, go to jail and then break out of jail, so that the pinkerton beaurocrat will cough up $1,000. That's the more realistic way to do it. Sometimes it's hard to discern depth from drop dead stupid. It's a fine line.


I will never convince you that all movie characters should not be boring and fit expected stereotypes, so i guess i am done with this conversation. I shall simply comment that art does not need to be perfectly realistic to having meaning or be entertaining.
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Re: Rate the last movie you saw

Postby bigh0rt » Mon Mar 31, 2008 11:15 pm

Mookie4ever wrote:
thedude wrote:
Mookie4ever wrote:Imagine if at the end of No Country for Old Men, Javier Bardem's character Chigur, instead of killing Moss' wife, he respects her for refusing to call heads or tails and b/c she has earned his respect he gives her the stolen money and lets her live. What kind of a pussy ending would that be? Chigur's character was so great b/c he was a believable bad guy. Crowe turned out to be a Disney bad guy and Bale's character's motivation was not believable at all and for him to want to commit suicide at the end by just standing there and letting himself get shot was just absurd. Happy endings sometimes are a total letdown - this was one of those cases.



So what? Ben Wade is a complex dynamic character while Chigurh is a static. Wade has depth, he is not a thoughtless killer, with no empathy. He may not have tons of compassion for his follow man, but he has some.

What is more realistic? That every single character in a movie is only either good or evil, or that everyone has both good and evil in his heart. In No Country for Old Men no character is really dynamic at all, the Sheriff is an old school throwback law man who is shocked at the violence of his county and doesn't like kids with Green Hair, Llewelyn Moss is a Vietnam vet who finds money, Chigurh is a ruthless killer, who miraculously (btw very unrealistically) aviods capture, ect... Ben Wade has depth: he is smart, ruthless, greedy, and yet has some compassion for the little guy who is being stepped on by those in power (somewhat similar to the way he feels, rightly or wrongly, persecuted). Just because Ben Wade is willing to give a man who has fallen on hard times some money (without sacrificing anything, mind you) does not make him less realistic than a guy who travels the highways murdering people for their pickups.


Don't forget artistic. He draws a neat bird. There's depth for ya.

btw - if he wanted to give a man who has fallen on hard times some money why didn't he just reach into his pocket or maybe into that chest of money that he just robbed out of that stagecoach?!?!? I know, because it adds so much more depth to run through an entire town of people trying to kill you (and don't tell your gang to back off b/c you need the realism so the son will believe it), kill your gang, go to jail and then break out of jail, so that the pinkerton beaurocrat will cough up $1,000. That's the more realistic way to do it. Sometimes it's hard to discern depth from drop dead stupid. It's a fine line.

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Re: Rate the last movie you saw

Postby Amazinz » Mon Mar 31, 2008 11:26 pm

I have a much different take on Ben Wade than most of you. I don't think his decision to help Evans had anything to do with conscience. Throughout the entire movie, Wade is focused on the observance and appearance of things above all else. It's as if he views himself not part of reality but someone who views it from afar. There are many examples of this throughout the film, the key ones in my opinion being the sketching, the observance of Evans at dinner, and saving Evans when he had the opportunity to escape.

He comes to respect Evans long before he decides to help him (the reason being because Evans is elevated above the status quo human nature he is accustomed to observing). He makes that decision when he realizes WHY Evans is going to go through with it even though he doesn't need to. The reason why: Evans wants to define the image of himself that he leaves with his son. This is a thing of beauty to Wade, not only does he get the opportunity to observe this rare aspect of human nature but he gets to help paint the picture.

This is where the end begins to break down for me. When Evans gets gunned down, Wade is unhappy with this final stroke on his masterpiece. I believe this is why he guns down his own men. However, based on how the character had been defined up until that point he should have been perfectly happy with the manner in which it had unfolded.
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Re: Rate the last movie you saw

Postby mweir145 » Tue Apr 01, 2008 1:30 am

Amazinz wrote:I think Eastern Promises got the shaft, not getting a nomination for best picture. However, given the choices, No Country was the right one. I still have a problem with Moss' murder but it was still an excellent film. There were no great films this year and I think people throw 9s around too easily. And Michael Clayton was easily the most overrated movie since Crash. :-D

I think Eastern Promises should have got Michael Clayton's nomination, and I wouldn't have been disappointed to see Gone Baby Gone get Juno's spot either.

I've only given a few 9's in the history of this thread...you can probably count them on one hand or two hands. I've given only one 10 I think.
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Re: Rate the last movie you saw

Postby Phatferd » Tue Apr 01, 2008 3:30 am

mweir145 wrote:
Amazinz wrote:I think Eastern Promises got the shaft, not getting a nomination for best picture. However, given the choices, No Country was the right one. I still have a problem with Moss' murder but it was still an excellent film. There were no great films this year and I think people throw 9s around too easily. And Michael Clayton was easily the most overrated movie since Crash. :-D

I think Eastern Promises should have got Michael Clayton's nomination, and I wouldn't have been disappointed to see Gone Baby Gone get Juno's spot either.

I've only given a few 9's in the history of this thread...you can probably count them on one hand or two hands. I've given only one 10 I think.


I liked Juno a lot. I laughed a lot throughout it and thought it was very enjoyable. It took a serious situation and problem and made it not only alright, but worthwhile. It wasn't the most funny film I saw last year, which was Eagle vs. Shark. I don't know if Eagle vs. Shark was released in '07 or not. I would have kept Juno in the category.

With that said, I think Gone Baby Gone is better than both Atonement and Michael Clayton. I didn't understand how Michael Clayton was considered Oscar worthy. It was a really dry and slow paced movie that really didn't come full circle for me. It was very predictable and flat.

I would rank the films of '07 like this:
No Country for Old Men
3:10 to Yuma
Gone Baby Gone
Juno
There Will Be Blood
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Re: Rate the last movie you saw

Postby BitterDodgerFan » Tue Apr 01, 2008 5:10 am

last night i watched A.I. for the second time. first time i saw it was in the theater. i didn't know at the time it was originally a kubrick movie that never got made but i think spielberg did very well with the kubrick-ish elements. there was a bit of over the top acting from the little kid but i enjoyed the ending which i didn't fully understand the first time. i made the mistake of thinking that the advanced mecha's at the end were aliens the first time. so things made more sense this time.

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Re: Rate the last movie you saw

Postby Dr. StrangeGlove » Wed Apr 02, 2008 12:51 pm

I saw "21" last night and it was a good entertaining flick. The book "Bringing Down the House" might be interesting and is the story of some MIT students who had a system for counting cards in the game of Blackjack.

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Re: Rate the last movie you saw

Postby mweir145 » Wed Apr 02, 2008 5:52 pm

Phatferd wrote:
mweir145 wrote:
Amazinz wrote:I think Eastern Promises got the shaft, not getting a nomination for best picture. However, given the choices, No Country was the right one. I still have a problem with Moss' murder but it was still an excellent film. There were no great films this year and I think people throw 9s around too easily. And Michael Clayton was easily the most overrated movie since Crash. :-D

I think Eastern Promises should have got Michael Clayton's nomination, and I wouldn't have been disappointed to see Gone Baby Gone get Juno's spot either.

I've only given a few 9's in the history of this thread...you can probably count them on one hand or two hands. I've given only one 10 I think.


I liked Juno a lot. I laughed a lot throughout it and thought it was very enjoyable. It took a serious situation and problem and made it not only alright, but worthwhile. It wasn't the most funny film I saw last year, which was Eagle vs. Shark. I don't know if Eagle vs. Shark was released in '07 or not. I would have kept Juno in the category.

With that said, I think Gone Baby Gone is better than both Atonement and Michael Clayton. I didn't understand how Michael Clayton was considered Oscar worthy. It was a really dry and slow paced movie that really didn't come full circle for me. It was very predictable and flat.

I would rank the films of '07 like this:
No Country for Old Men
3:10 to Yuma
Gone Baby Gone
Juno
There Will Be Blood


I didn't see Atonement, so I don't really have an opinion on whether it should have been out of the mix. Juno was funny...but I don't think it was Best Picture nomination quality. Maybe it just got hyped up a bit too much for me, I don't know. Little Miss Sunshine was a better movie than it, and I'm not even sure they deserved to be there the year before.

I think 3:10 to Yuma was pretty good, it just could have been much better. There was far more potential there in my opinion. It was still one of the better films I saw in '07, though.
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Re: Rate the last movie you saw

Postby j24jags » Sun Apr 06, 2008 1:20 am

I saw the movie 21 tonight, I'd give it an 8-8.5. I never read the book, but I thought the movie was very entertaining. It embellished some details of the story, but it still was very good. The movie was fairly realistic, pretty good acting overall, and who doesn't love fast paced gambling/Vegas? ;-D
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