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## Ok , so where are the "Excell Guys/Girls?"

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Arlo wrote:
wrveres wrote:Well I have used many, many rating systems. This is what I am thinking with this..

100= League Average
150= Best
50 = League Worst

This system can be applied to as many categories as possible.
Runs, Obp, k/9, you name it. Just ensure that what ever categories you run, you divide the total by the same number of categories. So Instaed of having 500 total points for a league average, 100 would be the "average" if he was a League average 5 category guy.

The trouble with this form of scaling is that not all categories are equal. In stolen bases, for instance, the gap between 'best' and 'average' is a lot greater than it is in, say, runs scored. By assigning a value of 150 to all category leaders, you'd be undervaluing speedsters like Juan Pierre.

Actually, because the league average would be around 8-12 SB's, he would come through with shining colors...A coule of mistakes people make when looking at league average is that they include all the players. Well you don't use all the players when you play, You use a roster pool some where around 100-125 offensive players. Figure the league average somewhere around there. Make the cut off say, the top 150. Another mistake, IMO. is to skew the numbers towards HR's and RBI's. If you play 5 categories, all 5 categories should be given equal weight. 6 categories, then all 6. IMO.
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i'm in strong agreeance with his last statement...Avg., R, and SB guys are around everywhere, and those are categories too. i make those mainly in the mid-rounds while i get guys with good power and RBI around the front 2-4 rounds, then fill up with the Avg/R/SB.
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wrveres wrote:Actually, because the league average would be around 8-12 SB's, he would come through with shining colors...A coule of mistakes people make when looking at league average is that they include all the players. Well you don't use all the players when you play, You use a roster pool some where around 100-125 offensive players. Figure the league average somewhere around there. Make the cut off say, the top 150. Another mistake, IMO. is to skew the numbers towards HR's and RBI's. If you play 5 categories, all 5 categories should be given equal weight. 6 categories, then all 6. IMO.

Even if you use the correct player pool, I think that assigning a score of 150 to the league leader is a bit misleading. By giving the top basestealer the same 150 points as the top run-scorer, both contributions would have equal weight in the rankings when in fact the basestealer's is more significant.
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Arlo wrote:
wrveres wrote:Actually, because the league average would be around 8-12 SB's, he would come through with shining colors...A coule of mistakes people make when looking at league average is that they include all the players. Well you don't use all the players when you play, You use a roster pool some where around 100-125 offensive players. Figure the league average somewhere around there. Make the cut off say, the top 150. Another mistake, IMO. is to skew the numbers towards HR's and RBI's. If you play 5 categories, all 5 categories should be given equal weight. 6 categories, then all 6. IMO.

Even if you use the correct player pool, I think that assigning a score of 150 to the league leader is a bit misleading. By giving the top basestealer the same 150 points as the top run-scorer, both contributions would have equal weight in the rankings when in fact the basestealer's is more significant.

Agreed the basestealer is more significant, but generally this will show in the over all number's. I like what was suggested before

used to rate each player by position. So let's say the average 1st basemen hit 30 HRs this year (I have no idea how accurate that is). Then someone like Derek Lee, who hit 31 HRs this year, would score 103 points in the HR category. (31/30 * 100)

this seemed to be a good standard. Instead of topping out at 150 automatically. but stiil using 100 as the base.. Once we have a solid number ... (Around 100 pts' =/-) Then we can add up by team, and then factor in strength of scedule by month.

I am going to start downloading last seasons stats and start playing around. See if I can come up with something outside of the norm by ussibg the 100 point scale.. I would really like to factor in the "Ballpark" rankings..
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i actually did something like that last season, it was something like:

30 HR=90 R=100 RBI=15 SB=.300 AVG=15 W=8 L=25 Sv=170 K=3.50 ERA=1.10 WHIP

some numbers like that. i ranked players like that, for instance a player with 30 HR is equal to a player with 15 wins, all other stats aside.
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interesting first run ... Actually I worked them twice..

But basically I used this formula...

League Avg/Player Total*100 as was mentioned in here earlier. This actually skews SB's heavily. Or it put them into perspective, depending upon how you look at it ..

Ok first sample .. 200 Ab's or more Both Leagues...
League Average's
Hr's .. 14.7
RBI's .. 60
SB's .. 7.13
Runs .. 62.28
BA .. .274
(exp. HR's Soriano ... (14.7/39*100)
The Top 100 Results ... Remeber this treats all categories evenly ..

Last Name Team Total
Pierre Fla 325
Soriano NYY 320
Beltran KC 310
Sheffield Atl 296
Rodriguez Tex 293
Crawford TB 291
Renteria StL 281
Podsednik Mil 274
Pujols StL 271
Wilson Col 268
Garciaparra Bos 268
Boone Sea 267
Suzuki Sea 265
Lee CWS 260
Sanchez Det 258
Abreu Phi 248
Lee Fla 247
Boone Cin 246
Bagwell Hou 243
Furcal Atl 242
Cabrera Mon 241
Wells Tor 241
Damon Bos 240
Helton Col 237
Baldelli TB 236
Thome Phi 236
Rolen StL 233
Sexson Mil 233
Bonds SF 231
Lofton ChC 228
Ramirez Bos 228
Ordonez CWS 228
Mondesi Ari 226
Winn Sea 226
Anderson Ana 225
Encarnacion Fla 225
Jones Atl 222
Berroa KC 220
Huff TB 218
Sanders Pit 217
Chavez Oak 217
Lopez Atl 214
Giles Atl 213
Hidalgo Hou 212
Gonzalez Ari 209
Giambi NYY 208
Palmeiro Tex 207
Payton Col 205
Young Tex 205
Thomas CWS 205
Everett CWS 205
Sosa ChC 203
Finley Ari 202
Jones Atl 201
Young SF 200
Berkman Hou 200
Grissom SF 198
Cameron Sea 198
Rollins Phi 197
Ibanez KC 196
Hunter Min 195
Castillo Fla 194
Roberts LA 193
Lowell Fla 192
Edmonds StL 192
Blalock Tex 192
Wilkerson Mon 191
Rodriguez Fla 190
Ramirez ChC 189
Kent Hou 187
Guerrero Mon 187
Conine Fla 186
Jones Min 186
Green LA 185
Young Det 185
Kennedy Ana 185
Nixon Bos 184
Millar Bos 183
Ortiz Bos 183
Polanco Phi 182
Guillen Oak 181
Batista Bal 181
Giles SD 180
Valentin CWS 180
Matsui NYY 180
Gibbons Bal 178
Alou ChC 178
Relaford KC 178
Jenkins Mil 177
Biggio Hou 176
Mueller Bos 174
Anderson TB 173
Koskie Min 172
Wigginton NYM 171

Second sample .. Top 250 Players based upon Abs. Both Leagues...
League Average's
Hr's .. 17.12
RBI's .. 68.45
SB's .. 8.23
Runs .. 71.02
BA .. ..277
(exp. HR's Soriano ... (17.12/39*100)
The Top 100 Results ... Remeber this treats all categories evenly ..

Pierre Fla 294.57
Soriano NYY 291.32
Beltran KC 281.18
Sheffield Atl 271.63
Rodriguez Tex 267.57
Crawford TB 263.76
Renteria StL 257.16
Pujols StL 250.56
Podsednik Mil 249.26
Wilson Col 246.35
GarciaparraBos 246.14
Boone Sea 245.29
Suzuki Sea 242.98
Lee CWS 238.79
Sanchez Det 234.01
Abreu Phi 228.13
Lee Fla 225.57
Boone Cin 225.01
Wells Tor 223.42
Bagwell Hou 222.71
Furcal Atl 222.25
Cabrera Mon 221.41
Helton Col 220.05
Damon Bos 219.07
Thome Phi 217.27
Baldelli TB 217.24
Rolen StL 214.58
Sexson Mil 214.45
Bonds SF 211.40
Ordonez CWS 210.97
Ramirez Bos 210.76
Anderson Ana 209.27
Lofton ChC 208.91
Winn Sea 207.42
EncarnacionFla 206.91
Mondesi Ari 206.31
Jones Atl 204.95
Huff TB 202.77
Berroa KC 201.71
Chavez Oak 199.91
Sanders Pit 199.15
Lopez Atl 197.87
Giles Atl 196.63
Hidalgo Hou 195.88
Gonzalez Ari 193.62
Giambi NYY 191.42
Palmeiro Tex 190.89
Young Tex 190.39
Payton Col 190.34
Thomas CWS 189.15
Everett CWS 188.59
Sosa ChC 186.88
Jones Atl 186.65
Finley Ari 185.87
Berkman Hou 184.75
Grissom SF 182.98
Ibanez KC 182.20
Rollins Phi 182.04
Young SF 182.00
Cameron Sea 181.50
Hunter Min 180.42
Castillo Fla 179.45
Blalock Tex 177.80
Lowell Fla 177.72
Edmonds StL 176.75
Rodriguez Fla 176.27
Wilkerson Mon 176.05
Ramirez ChC 175.37
Roberts LA 174.10
Kent Hou 173.23
Conine Fla 172.86
Green LA 172.33
Guerrero Mon 172.24
Young Det 172.03
Jones Min 171.85
Nixon Bos 170.00
Millar Bos 169.29
Ortiz Bos 169.21
Kennedy Ana 168.84
Guillen Oak 168.36
Matsui NYY 167.99
Polanco Phi 167.80
Batista Bal 167.62
Giles SD 167.03
Gibbons Bal 166.26
Alou ChC 165.42
Valentin CWS 165.17
Jenkins Mil 164.49
Relaford KC 163.29
Biggio Hou 163.11
Mueller Bos 162.99
Anderson TB 159.92
Koskie Min 159.19
Wigginton NYM 158.57

I think what I am going to try and do is break it down by AB before I Build it up and Multilpy by 100.. But that will still skew SB's. Thoughts????
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you should grade SB's on a curve instead of on a point system. top 10% get some-odd points, next 10%, and so on.
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DK wrote:you should grade SB's on a curve instead of on a point system. top 10% get some-odd points, next 10%, and so on.

I generally do something like that. Not on a curve though. I use the Top 10 % then the next 10% and so on and so on ..

But I do think it is interesting how much "We" as players disregard the SB ..yes it is one category and a Home run scores in three but it is still interesting. If anything this shows the overal value of the top notch SB's guys. A true 5 tool player like Beltran and Soriano are gonna find there way to the top, no matter how you score your numbers.
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wrveres wrote:But basically I used this formula...

League Avg/Player Total*100 as was mentioned in here earlier. This actually skews SB's heavily. Or it put them into perspective, depending upon how you look at it ..

Ok first sample .. 200 Ab's or more Both Leagues...
League Average's
Hr's .. 14.7
RBI's .. 60
SB's .. 7.13
Runs .. 62.28
BA .. .274
(exp. HR's Soriano ... (14.7/39*100)

I'm confused... the more home runs a player has, the lower his score? Sorry if I'm missing something...
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i was a little lost on that too...
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