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Postby dmendro » Tue Jan 16, 2007 1:01 pm

Can we get back on topic please? Anyone have any luck finding software that will let you conduct your own ONLINE auction draft yet? Any insiders here that know what Yahoo and Sprtosline's new features will be this year?
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Postby thedude » Tue Jan 16, 2007 1:02 pm

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bigwords wrote:As a copyright expert by trade, let me comment on this.

There is nothing in copyright law that prevents someone from posting someone else's projected stat predictions. I doubt BP has even attempted to copyright this. You wouldn't be able to post an article from BP, or post any commentary that BP has done on their stats, but as for the stats themselves, it's not copyrightable.

After all, the reason you can play fantasy baseball in the first place is that no one "owns" these stats. Last year, Major League Baseball sued CBC Distribution and Marketing Inc., arguing that the identities and stats of its players were protected. U.S. District Court Judge Mary Ann Medler in St. Louis in a 49-page summary judgment ruled against MLB's position. She wrote, "The names and playing records of major league baseball players as used in CBC's fantasy games are not copyrightable."

If accrued stats are not copyrightable, so too are projected stats. Not to mention, why would BP sue when much of their business depends on the non-copyrightable theory of stats? If BP sued, they would open themselves up to charges of hypocrisy and a claim of copyright abuse from MLB itself.

There may be other reasons to not post BP's projections, but copyright law is not one of them. Trust me.


I'd say they're not really the same as stats. Wouldn't this be similar to a site that offers stock market advice? Could I just tell everybody what their picks are? Could I run a competing web site telling everybody what popular portfolios are from those sites?

Hmmm, can I create a web site offering others projections at a quarter the price?


The little info he posted is fine. Last year when had a very long thread about Ryan Howard's 90th percentile PECOTA projection (which as actually pretty close to what he produced).
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Postby thedude » Tue Jan 16, 2007 1:13 pm

dmendro wrote:Can we get back on topic please? Anyone have any luck finding software that will let you conduct your own ONLINE auction draft yet? Any insiders here that know what Yahoo and Sprtosline's new features will be this year?


The mods actually stuck this topic in here.
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Postby thedude » Tue Jan 16, 2007 1:15 pm

Just quickly glanced at Jon Sickles blog.

Have gave votto a grade of B+, so he should be considered a very good prospect. Will he achieve those numbers? I don't think so, but it is not like he is an unknown name.
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Postby bigwords » Tue Jan 16, 2007 1:33 pm

It appears that the PECOTA thread was taken down. But I wanted to repeat my last comment, for it seems as though there are some who mistakingly believe that trouble lurks for those who post someone else's stat projections/predictions. As a copyright expert by trade, I can say this is utter nonsense.

There is nothing in copyright law that prevents someone from posting someone else's projected stat predictions. I doubt BP has even attempted to copyright this. You wouldn't be able to post an article from BP, or post any commentary that BP has done on their stats, but as for the stats themselves, it's not copyrightable.

After all, the reason you can play fantasy baseball in the first place is that no one "owns" these stats. Last year, Major League Baseball sued CBC Distribution and Marketing Inc., arguing that the identities and stats of its players were protected. U.S. District Court Judge Mary Ann Medler in St. Louis in a 49-page summary judgment ruled against MLB's position. She wrote, "The names and playing records of major league baseball players as used in CBC's fantasy games are not copyrightable."

If accrued stats are not copyrightable, so too are projected stats. Not to mention, why would BP sue when much of their business depends on the non-copyrightable theory of stats? If BP sued, they would open themselves up to charges of hypocrisy and a claim of copyright abuse from MLB itself.

There may be other reasons to not post BP's projections, but copyright law is not one of them. Trust me.
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Postby RugbyD » Tue Jan 16, 2007 1:59 pm

aren't the projections the result of a proprietary model? if their projections should not be commercially protected in some way, then you are saying that their projection model has no value, which seems like a very tough argument to make.
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Postby thedude » Tue Jan 16, 2007 2:05 pm

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Postby StlSluggers » Tue Jan 16, 2007 2:29 pm

dmendro wrote:Can we get back on topic please? Anyone have any luck finding software that will let you conduct your own ONLINE auction draft yet? Any insiders here that know what Yahoo and Sprtosline's new features will be this year?

The software at FanStar.com has an Auction option, but I have to admit I've never used it. Don't know how good it is/isn't...
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Postby LukeW9027 » Tue Jan 16, 2007 6:43 pm

Has anyone else noticed that the PECOTA Projections seem very pessimistic? or is it just me... :-? :-[
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Postby AcidRock23 » Tue Jan 16, 2007 6:47 pm

LukeW9027 wrote:Has anyone else noticed that the PECOTA Projections seem very pessimistic? or is it just me... :-? :-[


I kind of noticed that last year which led me to think 'if all the hitters are going to do this poorly, then the pitchers should come out better or if the pitchers do poorly it would make sense that the hitters would benefit'.

I think that a real acid test of a projection system might be to add up the projections for both hitters and pitchers and see how close they come out... :-?
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