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Postby Yoda » Thu Dec 07, 2006 4:54 pm

Arrowhead Nation wrote:And who would you all have pitch next season.......? Saberhagen--wheel him out of retirement?

The point I am making is that THE PITCHERS ARENT HERE. YOU HAVE TO HAVE PITCHING TO WIN!

Should the Royal not try and win next season?


Meche as your staff ace certainly ain't going to help you win... How many Ws will he get for KC with his 4.50 ERA? 10?
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Postby Arrowhead Nation » Thu Dec 07, 2006 4:58 pm

I KNOW MECHE IS NOT AN ACE SP!!!!!

But you do not know how bad the system was under Baird......Glass would not let him spend any money.

What would you have done? Forked over 16 mil per for Zito?
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Postby j_d_mcnugent » Thu Dec 07, 2006 5:01 pm

Arrowhead Nation wrote:Okay all the haters.....

What should the Royals do? You are so smart......tell us your plan.


i know the royals will get few players if they insist on paying market value. like the tigers did with pudge, they may have to cough up a couple extra million to get the guy they want. the meche deal would be more acceptable to me if they overpaid for a short term deal. for example, pay meche 3/33. while thats still nuts, it wont kill you. five years for $11MM could kill you. just the other day people were debating whether it was wise to give chris carpenter five years of guaranteed money. so maybe you overpay for a certain player or to...as long as its a short term deal or if it is the right player. you also have the option of taking some bad contracts off of people's hands like the odalis perez deal. you put a lot of effort into your farm system. at the deadline trade for players on the last year of their deal to get some draft pick compensation when they inevitably leave at the end of the year.
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Postby Pogotheostrich » Thu Dec 07, 2006 5:04 pm

Arrowhead Nation wrote:And who would you all have pitch next season.......? Saberhagen--wheel him out of retirement?

The point I am making is that THE PITCHERS ARENT HERE. YOU HAVE TO HAVE PITCHING TO WIN!

Should the Royal not try and win next season?

Greinke, Perez, Hudson, La Rosa, Elarton, Bannister, Gobble, Duckworth. Are they very good? No. Neither is Meche so why spend 20% of payroll on him? Of course the Royals should try and win but you can't turn around a franchise that quickly and Meche isn't the answer anyway. They are just throwing away money here.
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Postby Pogotheostrich » Thu Dec 07, 2006 5:05 pm

Arrowhead Nation wrote:What would you have done? Forked over 16 mil per for Zito?
That would have been a better deal.
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Postby Yoda » Thu Dec 07, 2006 5:21 pm

Arrowhead Nation wrote:I KNOW MECHE IS NOT AN ACE SP!!!!!

But you do not know how bad the system was under Baird......Glass would not let him spend any money.

What would you have done? Forked over 16 mil per for Zito?


How about throwing 55M bones at Schmidt over 3 years? That would have been better.
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Postby Arrowhead Nation » Thu Dec 07, 2006 5:27 pm

What if, just for the sake of argument, Meche becomes a decent SP...I am talking 3.7-ish ERA, throws 180 innings and is relatively injury-free?

Would it still be a bad move? Probably not.

The point is, that too many times, armchair GMs on message boards think they know more than a real GM. What is to say meche doesn't rebound back to pre-2000 form.............

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That is right, there is nothing to say that he does or he doesn't. So why don't you hold off on crapping or applauding every deal 5 minutes after it happens.
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Postby Yoda » Thu Dec 07, 2006 5:34 pm

Arrowhead Nation wrote:What if, just for the sake of argument, Meche becomes a decent SP...I am talking 3.7-ish ERA, throws 180 innings and is relatively injury-free?

Would it still be a bad move? Probably not.

The point is, that too many times, armchair GMs on message boards think they know more than a real GM. What is to say meche doesn't rebound back to pre-2000 form.............

[waits for answer]

That is right, there is nothing to say that he does or he doesn't. So why don't you hold off on crapping or applauding every deal 5 minutes after it happens.


Do you honestly think that this is a good deal for your team? Do you want a 29 yo pitcher with a serious injury history with a 4.50 career ERA and 'hope' that he pitches 180 IP with a 3.70 ERA making 55M bones?
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Postby Pogotheostrich » Thu Dec 07, 2006 5:40 pm

Arrowhead Nation wrote:What if, just for the sake of argument, Meche becomes a decent SP...I am talking 3.7-ish ERA, throws 180 innings and is relatively injury-free?

Would it still be a bad move? Probably not.

The point is, that too many times, armchair GMs on message boards think they know more than a real GM. What is to say meche doesn't rebound back to pre-2000 form.............

[waits for answer]

That is right, there is nothing to say that he does or he doesn't. So why don't you hold off on crapping or applauding every deal 5 minutes after it happens.
Pre-200 form? He threw less than 100 MLB innings pre 2000. Let's just say he stays relatively healthy (30 GS), 180 means he goes an average of 6 innings a start. And a 3.70 ERA would be his career best and a full run lower than his career ERA.
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Postby RynMan » Thu Dec 07, 2006 5:51 pm

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