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Postby IllinoisBandit » Thu Dec 07, 2006 9:51 pm

Eh, I don't think Lilly is better than Zito by any means, but I do think they're comparable. I like Lilly 1000 times better than Meche anyway. The Cubs are desperate for starting pitching other than Zambrano and Prior, and they didn't give out a desperate contract IMO, so I would call this a win for them.

And I would have to agree with a previous poster that with the exception of Dempster, who is beyond horrible, the Cubs have a pretty impressive pen.
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Postby acsguitar » Thu Dec 07, 2006 11:30 pm

IllinoisBandit wrote:Eh, I don't think Lilly is better than Zito by any means, but I do think they're comparable. I like Lilly 1000 times better than Meche anyway. The Cubs are desperate for starting pitching other than Zambrano and Prior, and they didn't give out a desperate contract IMO, so I would call this a win for them.

And I would have to agree with a previous poster that with the exception of Dempster, who is beyond horrible, the Cubs have a pretty impressive pen.


Dempster isn't that horrible I'd welcome him on the rockies
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Postby IscartissueI » Fri Dec 08, 2006 12:25 am

I've always liked Lilly. Although he has been an avarage pitcher up to this point, he has shown some promise throughout his carrer. He had a great september last year but hasnt yet been able to put it together. He's not the trash you cubsbashers are making him out to be. Just check out some of his games. Hes beatin up some pretty good teams last year (detroit, 1er 9ks 6ip 0bb) others similar along that line. Granted, he has also had his bad games for every good game but, in the end, I think Lilly and his contract will be worth it for the Cubs.
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Postby acsguitar » Fri Dec 08, 2006 1:46 am

So does this contract make him the early favorite for the Cy Young
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Postby The Miner Part 2 » Fri Dec 08, 2006 2:05 am

acsguitar wrote:
IllinoisBandit wrote:Eh, I don't think Lilly is better than Zito by any means, but I do think they're comparable. I like Lilly 1000 times better than Meche anyway. The Cubs are desperate for starting pitching other than Zambrano and Prior, and they didn't give out a desperate contract IMO, so I would call this a win for them.

And I would have to agree with a previous poster that with the exception of Dempster, who is beyond horrible, the Cubs have a pretty impressive pen.


Dempster isn't that horrible I'd welcome him on the rockies


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Postby The Miner Part 2 » Fri Dec 08, 2006 2:08 am

IllinoisBandit wrote:Eh, I don't think Lilly is better than Zito by any means, but I do think they're comparable. I like Lilly 1000 times better than Meche anyway. The Cubs are desperate for starting pitching other than Zambrano and Prior, and they didn't give out a desperate contract IMO, so I would call this a win for them.

And I would have to agree with a previous poster that with the exception of Dempster, who is beyond horrible, the Cubs have a pretty impressive pen.


please explain. the cubs have one really good middle reliever in howery and then nothing but players like wood and cotts that are long shots at best.
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Postby RugbyD » Fri Dec 08, 2006 2:45 am

The Miner Part 2 wrote:
IllinoisBandit wrote:Eh, I don't think Lilly is better than Zito by any means, but I do think they're comparable. I like Lilly 1000 times better than Meche anyway. The Cubs are desperate for starting pitching other than Zambrano and Prior, and they didn't give out a desperate contract IMO, so I would call this a win for them.

And I would have to agree with a previous poster that with the exception of Dempster, who is beyond horrible, the Cubs have a pretty impressive pen.


please explain. the cubs have one really good middle reliever in howery and then nothing but players like wood and cotts that are long shots at best.

Eyre is solid and lefty. Wood will be fine as a MR. His shoulder just can't handle a SP's workload. HOwry is solid. Cotts could be good, and has been spectacular for one year, so its a bit much to call him a longshot. if we coun't Wood and Cotts as .5 each, thats still 3 total solid pen arms. much more than most teams can claim.
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Postby AcidRock23 » Fri Dec 08, 2006 10:49 am

I am not totally comfortable rating Wood's arm as 'solid'. He seems prone to getting in jams and either striking everybody out OR losing it and flipping out and giving up a bunch of runs.

I also have some concerns that the unique environment of closing/relief, particularly if the buckets of money DO get the Cubs into 'contention' somehow, might lead him to push his frankenflipper farther than it should go and he will end up back on the DL too soon to help the team much.

That being said, he also seems capable of brilliant innings (often in the same games as the meltdowns...) and, if he can wrap his head around his new role, I think that he could be a very good fit. I don't see Dempster lasting, he walked himself into too many jams last year.
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Postby The Miner Part 2 » Fri Dec 08, 2006 11:47 am

RugbyD wrote:
The Miner Part 2 wrote:
IllinoisBandit wrote:Eh, I don't think Lilly is better than Zito by any means, but I do think they're comparable. I like Lilly 1000 times better than Meche anyway. The Cubs are desperate for starting pitching other than Zambrano and Prior, and they didn't give out a desperate contract IMO, so I would call this a win for them.

And I would have to agree with a previous poster that with the exception of Dempster, who is beyond horrible, the Cubs have a pretty impressive pen.


please explain. the cubs have one really good middle reliever in howery and then nothing but players like wood and cotts that are long shots at best.

Eyre is solid and lefty. Wood will be fine as a MR. His shoulder just can't handle a SP's workload. HOwry is solid. Cotts could be good, and has been spectacular for one year, so its a bit much to call him a longshot. if we coun't Wood and Cotts as .5 each, thats still 3 total solid pen arms. much more than most teams can claim.


actually eyre isnt solid. the guy had one good year, at 35 years old, so of course hendry had to have him.

it sounds like your ok with hendry depending on kerry wood to carry a load this year. sorry to say but that's just typical cub fan talk. anyone being realistic has to realize that wood being a significant factor for a team is most likely not going to happen.

as for cotts, i think it's a classic example of a league figuring him out. the guy got by on flawless mechanics for one year. the fact is he doesn't have "stuff" on the ball. he throws two mediocore pitches, that float right down the pipe. i wouldn't expect much from him.

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Postby Yoda » Fri Dec 08, 2006 12:07 pm

RugbyD wrote:
The Miner Part 2 wrote:
IllinoisBandit wrote:Eh, I don't think Lilly is better than Zito by any means, but I do think they're comparable. I like Lilly 1000 times better than Meche anyway. The Cubs are desperate for starting pitching other than Zambrano and Prior, and they didn't give out a desperate contract IMO, so I would call this a win for them.

And I would have to agree with a previous poster that with the exception of Dempster, who is beyond horrible, the Cubs have a pretty impressive pen.


please explain. the cubs have one really good middle reliever in howery and then nothing but players like wood and cotts that are long shots at best.

Eyre is solid and lefty. Wood will be fine as a MR. His shoulder just can't handle a SP's workload. HOwry is solid. Cotts could be good, and has been spectacular for one year, so its a bit much to call him a longshot. if we coun't Wood and Cotts as .5 each, thats still 3 total solid pen arms. much more than most teams can claim.


I don't see Wood staying healthy all season.
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