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Postby RugbyD » Fri Nov 17, 2006 9:12 am

Developing story. Here's an early blog post:

Based on preliminary reports, this is what seems to have happened on
Tuesday evening: Mostafa Tabatabainejad, a UCLA student, was quietly
studying in the campus library around 11:30pm. Campus police asked him
for his ID, a usual procedure. Mostafa didn't have it with him and
walked toward the exit.

While en route, one of the police officers laid a hand on Mostafa (which
may well be simple battery) and he reacted by saying "Get off of me."
That's when he was hit with a blast from a Taser, which can render
someone unable to walk for 5 to 15 minutes
.

But the cops, through malice or ignorance, kept demanding that Mostafa
immediately stand up and walk to the door
. He was screaming at this
point and said he could not, at which point they Tased him again and again.

The cops also threatened to Taser bystanders as well if they persisted
in asking for badge numbers. This, too, is on videotape and is in fact a
crime. (Think that cop will go to jail? Right.)


Will be interesting to see how this develops. I find it difficult to believe that anything happened that warranted the initial tasing.


videos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3CdNgoC0cE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4_s4Un0TkI

articles
http://dailybruin.com/news/articles.asp?id=38958
http://dailybruin.com/news/articles.asp?id=38960
http://www.latimes.com/news/printeditio ... 1795.story
http://cbs2.com/local/local_story_319101652.html
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Postby Art Vandelay » Fri Nov 17, 2006 9:21 am

To protect and serve.
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Postby RugbyD » Fri Nov 17, 2006 9:22 am

Art Vandelay wrote:To protect and serve.

don't forget tase. tasing is just as important. ;-7
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Re: Tased for not showing ID; cops threaten passive onlookers.

Postby Madison » Fri Nov 17, 2006 12:15 pm

Never leave home without ID. ;-D

Amazing how many people do though. With as many stories as we hear, you'd think people would make sure to have an ID on them anytime they leave the house. Anyway.......

RugbyD wrote: Campus police asked him
for his ID, a usual procedure. Mostafa didn't have it with him and
walked toward the exit.


I'm sure letting a stranger with no ID just leave the campus would have been the way to handle this. ;-7

Hard to say anything beyond that as the video footage didn't get the beginning of it all.
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Re: Tased for not showing ID; cops threaten passive onlookers.

Postby Mookie4ever » Fri Nov 17, 2006 12:29 pm

Madison wrote:Never leave home without ID. ;-D

Amazing how many people do though. With as many stories as we hear, you'd think people would make sure to have an ID on them anytime they leave the house. Anyway.......

RugbyD wrote: Campus police asked him
for his ID, a usual procedure. Mostafa didn't have it with him and
walked toward the exit.


I'm sure letting a stranger with no ID just leave the campus would have been the way to handle this. ;-7

Hard to say anything beyond that as the video footage didn't get the beginning of it all.


Are you approving of the tasering of people that don't show their ID to the cops?

What is even the purpose of asking for ID to leave the library? Is it a terrorist target or something or is it more of a situation of puffed up kids in uniforms being jerks?

The guy was leaving the library. They let him in why aren't they letting him out? The punishment for not having your ID when you leave is a taser? Of course you let the guy go. I think it had more to do with the fact that his name was Mostafa than the fact that he didn't have ID.
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Postby acsguitar » Fri Nov 17, 2006 12:29 pm

You can hear the cops say multiple times to get up and leave and the kid does not.

Was it worth it to Taser him...um no... but still the kid obviously was breaking the rules and would not comply with the police officers...They shoulda just dragged him to the car though and quit with the tasering.

The kid almost sounds like he's laughing when he's screaming as to make a point.

I think both the cops and the kid were out of line....Man that must have been hard for the students not to jump in and help the guy out. Luckily they didn't that may have turned very dangerous
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Postby Omaha Red Sox » Fri Nov 17, 2006 12:31 pm

I'm going to find a couple thousand articles where police did the right thing to put this story in perspective.... ;-7
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Re: Tased for not showing ID; cops threaten passive onlookers.

Postby Art Vandelay » Fri Nov 17, 2006 12:40 pm

Madison wrote:Never leave home without ID. ;-D

Amazing how many people do though. With as many stories as we hear, you'd think people would make sure to have an ID on them anytime they leave the house. Anyway.......


I agree that this is a good idea, and I always carry my ID, but it's not against the law (yet). Everyone has the right leave their ID at home.

Madison wrote:I'm sure letting a stranger with no ID just leave the campus would have been the way to handle this. ;-7


Again, it's not against any laws to be on campus at a public university without ID. It's probably against school rules for someone to be using the computers in the library without a school ID...that was the case in both colleges I attended, and at both, the punishment for someone who didn't have a student ID was that they were asked to leave.
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Postby Amazinz » Fri Nov 17, 2006 1:01 pm

From watching the video and reading the articles, I get the impression that this guy was looking for a fight. Looks like he got it. I am not sure if it was excessive force or not. I really can't feel sorry for the guy because any sane person who wasn't looking for a fight would have left, gone home and gotten their ID and then come back.
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Postby Pogotheostrich » Fri Nov 17, 2006 1:08 pm

From what I have read it seems like both the kid and the cops are at fault to me.

Blogs and news stories paint it to show either side but this seems to be the rundown. The cops asked for everyone in the library to show their student ID. The guy didn't have his ID, refused to leave and got in a shouting match with the cops. One cop tried to grab him and he freaked out further leading to the taser. Problem is they didn't just tase him once. The repeatedly tased him while he was on the ground and then threatened witnesses.
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