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Re: Cards SP

Postby Lofunzo » Sun Feb 11, 2007 3:30 am

LukeW9027 wrote:
bigjimblue wrote:
deerayfan072 wrote:
Zito is God wrote:Looper? That'll be a ride. They're rotation is really suffering. I am still hoping they throw Wainwright in as a closer, I don't see him being very successful as starting with his toolbox.


I agree. I would try wainwright over Looper in the rotation, Looper in the Rotation seems bad to me :-o


It's not either Wainwright or Looper as starting pitcher. It's both!


The Cardinals rotation pretty much looks like a joke right now, maybe they'll find another weaver...


I wouldn't call any rotation a joke being an apparent Cubs fan.
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Re: Cards SP

Postby Havok1517 » Sun Feb 11, 2007 3:34 am

LukeW9027 wrote:
bigjimblue wrote:
deerayfan072 wrote:
Zito is God wrote:Looper? That'll be a ride. They're rotation is really suffering. I am still hoping they throw Wainwright in as a closer, I don't see him being very successful as starting with his toolbox.


I agree. I would try wainwright over Looper in the rotation, Looper in the Rotation seems bad to me :-o


It's not either Wainwright or Looper as starting pitcher. It's both!


The Cardinals rotation pretty much looks like a joke right now, maybe they'll find another weaver...


I personally think that Paul Byrd and/or Jon Lieber could be members of the St. Louis rotation this season.

Carpenter
Lieber
Byrd
Wells
Reyes/Mulder

Mulder is out till mid-season and Reyes was ineffective last year. This would move Wainwright to the pen.
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Re: Cards SP

Postby deerayfan072 » Sun Feb 11, 2007 11:02 am

Havok1517 wrote:
LukeW9027 wrote:
bigjimblue wrote:
deerayfan072 wrote:
Zito is God wrote:Looper? That'll be a ride. They're rotation is really suffering. I am still hoping they throw Wainwright in as a closer, I don't see him being very successful as starting with his toolbox.


I agree. I would try wainwright over Looper in the rotation, Looper in the Rotation seems bad to me :-o


It's not either Wainwright or Looper as starting pitcher. It's both!


The Cardinals rotation pretty much looks like a joke right now, maybe they'll find another weaver...


I personally think that Paul Byrd and/or Jon Lieber could be members of the St. Louis rotation this season.

Carpenter
Lieber
Byrd
Wells
Reyes/Mulder

Mulder is out till mid-season and Reyes was ineffective last year. This would move Wainwright to the pen.


I think Reyes will be in the rotation that guy can pitch, just had a rough go of it last year
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Postby daullaz » Sun Feb 11, 2007 1:42 pm

Carpenter
Reyes
Wainwright
Wells
Mulder/Looper

It's not great, but it's far from being terrible.
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Postby greenandgold » Sun Feb 11, 2007 1:54 pm

daullaz wrote:Carpenter
Reyes
Wainwright
Wells
Mulder/Looper

It's not great, but it's far from being terrible.


It's not the worst rotation in MLB but there are some serious concerns. I'll give you that Carp is a stud but it seems risky to count on two sophmores to fill the 2-3 spots in the rotation. I think they will both have good careers but asking them to have good season right now might be too much. If Mulder is really still an option that will help things out - Looper is not a good idea.
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Postby davidmarver » Sun Feb 11, 2007 8:38 pm

The Cardinals always seem to be able to salvage their rotation. As long as they have Carp at the top of that rotation and two of the other four have decent seasons, they'll salvage at least 85-90 wins. If Reyes or Wainwright has a breakout year, they'll win even more. If I was a Cardinals fan, I wouldn't worry too much.
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Re: Cards SP

Postby LukeW9027 » Sun Feb 11, 2007 8:51 pm

Lofunzo wrote:
LukeW9027 wrote:
bigjimblue wrote:
deerayfan072 wrote:
Zito is God wrote:Looper? That'll be a ride. They're rotation is really suffering. I am still hoping they throw Wainwright in as a closer, I don't see him being very successful as starting with his toolbox.


I agree. I would try wainwright over Looper in the rotation, Looper in the Rotation seems bad to me :-o


It's not either Wainwright or Looper as starting pitcher. It's both!


The Cardinals rotation pretty much looks like a joke right now, maybe they'll find another weaver...


I wouldn't call any rotation a joke being an apparent Cubs fan.

I never said the Cubs rotation wasnt a joke, but thanks for that unneccesary and irrelevent comment! ;-7
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Postby teddy ballgame » Sun Feb 11, 2007 9:21 pm

Counting on Weaver, Suppan, and Reyes in the playoffs was supposed to be a joke too. Anyone remember how that ended? :-?

Obviously it's a shorter period of time, but I won't question the rotation until it proves it's bad.
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Postby greenandgold » Mon Feb 12, 2007 7:35 am

Roto:
With the Rays considering using him as a utilityman, B.J. Upton is set to see work at second base, third base, shortstop and the outfield this spring.
"I would like to take the pressure off his defense somewhat. Everything has been about his defense," manager Joe Maddon said. "During the last couple of years, it's been all about being the shortstop of the future, and then you throw him over to third base and it's about becoming the third baseman of the future. You know what? Let's come be a major league baseball player, hit, and we'll figure out the best spot for you." If he does hit, the team will have to find a regular spot for him somewhere. He could post the best OBP of anyone on the roster.


If BJ gets hot and steals the bases like he is capable he could be a big asset to any fantasy team this year. If he is bounced around a little and gets eligibility almost everywhere - are we looking at the new Figgins?
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Postby deerayfan072 » Mon Feb 12, 2007 9:15 am

greenandgold wrote:Roto:
With the Rays considering using him as a utilityman, B.J. Upton is set to see work at second base, third base, shortstop and the outfield this spring.
"I would like to take the pressure off his defense somewhat. Everything has been about his defense," manager Joe Maddon said. "During the last couple of years, it's been all about being the shortstop of the future, and then you throw him over to third base and it's about becoming the third baseman of the future. You know what? Let's come be a major league baseball player, hit, and we'll figure out the best spot for you." If he does hit, the team will have to find a regular spot for him somewhere. He could post the best OBP of anyone on the roster.


If BJ gets hot and steals the bases like he is capable he could be a big asset to any fantasy team this year. If he is bounced around a little and gets eligibility almost everywhere - are we looking at the new Figgins?


I don't know how they can keep him out of the lineup personally, the guy has better talent then some of the guys playing. I would love to see him at 3rd and Aki at 2B. I think you will see Aki at 2B and BJ at 3B when cantu is off, also try BJ at 2B, or BJ at 3B when Aki is off and also play the OF when Rocco has the day off, so that they can showcase his ability to play OF so they can work a trade. I think by the end of the year he will be 3B, 2B, OF eligible in Yahoo
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