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Postby wrveres » Mon Oct 23, 2006 8:01 pm

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Wouldn't you if your LF can't play a lick of defense with a sub .900 OPS and making 27M in the next two years?

But doesn't Burrell have a no-trade clause? :-?


Yeah he has a no trade clause.
I wouldn't want him unless Philly is picking up half that tab thats for sure. But he is def gone ...

General manager Pat Gillick indicated that the Phillies would look to move Burrell, perhaps eating some of his remaining $27 million over the next 2 years, as long as he would waive his no-trade clause.

'We're going to have to continue to look for a little more offense. We know we're probably... Pat has had a really difficult time protecting Howard,' Gillick said.


hows that for a slap in the face.
Waive your no trade clause or there will be more.
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Postby Pogotheostrich » Mon Oct 23, 2006 8:11 pm

mweir145 wrote:I might be of the minority here, but I think this was actually a pretty good signing. Moyer is already at age 43, and still pitching above league average. Who's to say he won't be pitching like this at age 44 and age 45? I mean it's not like you can really foresee any kind of collapse for him. If he was going to collapse, I think he would have done it already. Moyer's been pretty dependable over the last few years, and I doubt that will really change. 5.5 million may also seem like a lot, but that's a bargain for this pitching market. I may be somewhat biased (as I credit a lot of the 2 Jays' WS victories to Gillick) and I find myself usually defending what he does, but this seriously wasn't that a bad move at all by Gillick to sign Moyer here.

Moyer's career ERA+ is 106. And just because his stuff hasn't taken a hit because of age doesn't mean he's immune to aging. At 44 he has to be considered an above average injury risk. And anyway what is the best case scenerio here? Moyer throws 200 innings for 2 years with an ERA between 4 and 4.5. If you think that is worth $5 million a year then fine. But I'd rather spend the money on someone with more upside.
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Postby Dawgpound 1613 » Mon Oct 23, 2006 8:28 pm

I don't understand the signing and don't think it is a good one. They dump Abreu for salary freedom, then tie up 1/3 of that in a league average (at best) pitcher who can't be said to have upside.

Basically, at 43, what you saw last year was most likely the best he'll do, especially in that park. The problem isn't the $5M/year, per se - it is the 2nd year. A one year gamble would have been fine, but if Moyer shows his age, they are stuck with $5M dead money in 2008.
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Postby eftda » Mon Oct 23, 2006 10:51 pm

Moyer > Park

Still a good deal.
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Postby HOOTIE » Tue Oct 24, 2006 3:15 am

wrveres wrote:This is a joke right?

they are unloading Abreu and Burrell and then dropping 10 million on a free agent .. .. this way .

please tell me this is a joke?


Moyer played with Lefty Grove. His experience will help Philly. Abreu was nothing but a typical, dime a dozen 5 tool player. If they can trade for Julio Franco, they will be next years Tigers.
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Postby Music2004Man » Tue Oct 24, 2006 10:35 am

wrveres wrote:
Yoda wrote:
Wouldn't you if your LF can't play a lick of defense with a sub .900 OPS and making 27M in the next two years?

But doesn't Burrell have a no-trade clause? :-?


Yeah he has a no trade clause.
I wouldn't want him unless Philly is picking up half that tab thats for sure. But he is def gone ...

General manager Pat Gillick indicated that the Phillies would look to move Burrell, perhaps eating some of his remaining $27 million over the next 2 years, as long as he would waive his no-trade clause.

'We're going to have to continue to look for a little more offense. We know we're probably... Pat has had a really difficult time protecting Howard,' Gillick said.


hows that for a slap in the face.
Waive your no trade clause or there will be more.


Burrell does have a no trade clause (thanks Ed Wade) but I don't think he'll have a problem waving it. He was getting killed in Philly at the end of the year. I went to a couple of games at the end of the year and I thought JD Drew was on the field with how much Burrell was getting booed.

As a Phillies fan, I don't mind the signing. When I think about how much Schmidt and Zito are going to get in this market I feel pretty solid about Moyer. He's already 43 and he's still a solid pitcher, he won't lose anything more over the next two years then what he's lost already. The great thing about him is that he is a student of the game. We have a lot of young impressionable pitchers around between Myers, Hamels, Segovia, and Gio Gonzalez. All four of them could learn a ton from him about how to pitch a game and Hamels and Gonzalez are lefties so they could learn even more from him. I specifically remember reading an article with Cole saying how much he had already learned from Moyer and that he hoped the Phils would resign him.
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Postby acsguitar » Tue Oct 24, 2006 2:42 pm

Would Moyer have been picked up by another team if the phils didn't sign him so soon?
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Postby Mugrila » Tue Oct 24, 2006 3:11 pm

acsguitar wrote:Would Moyer have been picked up by another team if the phils didn't sign him so soon?



I'm sure the Cubs would have.
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Postby acsguitar » Tue Oct 24, 2006 4:26 pm

Mugrila wrote:
acsguitar wrote:Would Moyer have been picked up by another team if the phils didn't sign him so soon?



I'm sure the Cubs would have.


He doesn't throw hard enough to blow his arm out though he wouldn't be a fit there
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Postby wrveres » Tue Oct 24, 2006 4:49 pm

acsguitar wrote:
Mugrila wrote:
acsguitar wrote:Would Moyer have been picked up by another team if the phils didn't sign him so soon?



I'm sure the Cubs would have.


He doesn't throw hard enough to blow his arm out though he wouldn't be a fit there


is that what wild speculation tells ya?
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