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Postby Madison » Tue Oct 10, 2006 9:08 am

I know quite a bit of us play online poker and live in the United States, so I'm a little surprised I haven't seen a thread about this yet.

Bush will sign a bill on Friday that's changing the entire online poker world. If I don't have your attention yet, how about this:

Once the bill is signed Friday, Partypoker will no longer allow people in the United States to play there!

Here's a really good link with links to the official comments and standings of which rooms are doing what. Several have already started banning U.S. player's accounts:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=7509074&an=0&page=0&gonew=1#UNREAD

Here's another story where it's a bit easier on the eyes:

http://www.pokersourceonline.com/news.asp?poker=446

I could probably give 50 links on this stuff easily as it's huge news for some of us, and definitely not good news. :-t
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Postby thedude » Tue Oct 10, 2006 10:19 am

:-t :-t :-t :-t


Will this bill affect online sports betting?
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Postby Tavish » Tue Oct 10, 2006 10:43 am

Unpopular view coming:

I don't see how this can be much of a bad thing, for both the groups wanting to curtail gambling and those wanting to gamble online. By tightening restrictions on offshore you do more to ensure that Internet gambling companies are subject to US regulations (including consumer protections).
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Postby thedude » Tue Oct 10, 2006 10:59 am

Tavish wrote:Unpopular view coming:

I don't see how this can be much of a bad thing, for both the groups wanting to curtail gambling and those wanting to gamble online. By tightening restrictions on offshore you do more to ensure that Internet gambling companies are subject to US regulations (including consumer protections).



Except that reputable companies (like PartyPoker) seem to be the ones who are obeying the law and chutting out US customers...
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Postby RugbyD » Tue Oct 10, 2006 11:20 am

Tavish wrote:Unpopular view coming:

I don't see how this can be much of a bad thing, for both the groups wanting to curtail gambling and those wanting to gamble online. By tightening restrictions on offshore you do more to ensure that Internet gambling companies are subject to US regulations (including consumer protections).

these regulation you speak of are the US's already imposed ban on domestic gambling. From what I understand, domestic operations are all covered by the Wire Act, which prohibits bets being made by wire. The intent was to kill placing bets over the phone, but it by nature encompasses all wireline info, such as teh internet. Of course, betting operations with "tradition" (read: the state makes money from them) like horse racing and lotteries are exempt from the Wire Act.

So the intent is not to protect people, but rather to stop them from exercising free will with their own property. Praise Be To Puritainism!
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Postby bigken117 » Tue Oct 10, 2006 12:07 pm

Heard about it. :-o

How will I spend all my free time now if I can't gamble online??
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Postby Madison » Tue Oct 10, 2006 12:09 pm

Tavish wrote:Unpopular view coming:

I don't see how this can be much of a bad thing, for both the groups wanting to curtail gambling and those wanting to gamble online. By tightening restrictions on offshore you do more to ensure that Internet gambling companies are subject to US regulations (including consumer protections).


If the government had a plan to organize, regulate, and open up internet gambling for U.S. citizens, then I'd agree. They don't though. All they are doing is trying to stop internet gaming.

The problem is that the poker sites are regulated. They know without being regulated, they wouldn't have players. It's also a matter of that the "house" doesn't care who wins each hand, the "house" gets a percentage of the pot. Wouldn't make any sense at all for an online poker room to be "rigged".

A casino is a totally different animal though, and could quite easily be rigged or corrupt.

I'd also point out that Texas Hold 'Em is not gambling, regardless of what the politicians think. Hold 'Em is a game of skill. Sure, as with anything in life, luck plays a small part in anything. However, the good players will beat the bad players on the overall and in the long run. Skill is a much bigger factor than luck when it comes to Hold 'Em, so it shouldn't even be put in the same catagory as gambling.

Stupid politicians. :-t
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Postby roninmedia » Tue Oct 10, 2006 12:13 pm

There will always be a way around. We'll just have to find it.
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Postby thedude » Tue Oct 10, 2006 12:14 pm

roninmedia wrote:There will always be a way around. We'll just have to find it.


full tilt is not going to shut down...
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Postby Madison » Tue Oct 10, 2006 12:18 pm

thedude wrote:
roninmedia wrote:There will always be a way around. We'll just have to find it.


full tilt is not going to shut down...


Neither is Absolute or Paradise.

However, the poker rooms refusing service to U.S. players is only part of the problem. The government is trying to take away all funding possibilities, like Neteller. They are currently attempting to shut down all banking wire transfers to and from Neteller to any account in the U.S.

If there's no way to put money into the poker room, and no way to get it out, the government gets exactly what they want. :-/
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