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Postby TheYanks04 » Sat Sep 30, 2006 11:40 pm

Looks like the dirt is starting to stick to Clemens and Tejada.

Rotoworld:

Roger Clemens, Andy Pettitte, Miguel Tejada, Brian Roberts, Jay Gibbons and David Segui are accused by Jason Grimsley of using performance-enhancing drugs in an affadavit.

Those were the names that were blacked out in the affidavit filed on May 31 when Grimsley was caught with HGH. According to the affidavit, Grimsley told investigators that Clemens and Pettitte "used athletic performance-enhancing drugs." He also said Tejada, Roberts and Gibbons "took anabolic steroids." Segui, who retired after 2004, previous admitted to using HGH on the advance of his doctor. Grimsley has complained to friends that federal agents credited him with statements and disclosures he didn't make, and it's doubtful that he'll ever publically name names.
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Grimsley HGH/Steroid Allegations

Postby StarsNPinstripes » Sat Sep 30, 2006 11:41 pm

From Rotoworld:Sep. 30 - 11:34 pm et
Roger Clemens, Andy Pettitte, Miguel Tejada, Brian Roberts, Jay Gibbons and David Segui are accused by Jason Grimsley of using performance-enhancing drugs in an affadavit.

Those were the names that were blacked out in the affidavit filed on May 31 when Grimsley was caught with HGH. According to the affidavit, Grimsley told investigators that Clemens and Pettitte "used athletic performance-enhancing drugs." He also said Tejada, Roberts and Gibbons "took anabolic steroids." Segui, who retired after 2004, previous admitted to using HGH on the advance of his doctor.
Source: Los Angeles Times


With such a great season & MLB setting attendance records to have to go through all this again.
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Re: Grimsley affidavit names disclosed.

Postby KoopaTroopa211 » Sat Sep 30, 2006 11:43 pm

TheYanks04 wrote:Brian Roberts


No wonder he had that mystery explosion of HR's last season.
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Postby sportsaddict » Sat Sep 30, 2006 11:51 pm

UH OH...
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Postby mweir145 » Sun Oct 01, 2006 12:22 am

Looks like the Washington Post was right with their original report. I wonder why they erased it.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=A ... &type=lgns
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Postby mweir145 » Sun Oct 01, 2006 12:41 am

Not surprising at all. Even Brian Roberts, a guy who doesn't "look" like he'd be a user was fingered by Grimsley. I think that should tell you that you don't have to grow all big to be using things like this. People have this stereotypical steroid body in their heads when they think about users (i.e. Bonds, McGwire, Sosa etc..), but users don't have to look like that. I wonder when people are going to realize that a majority of the players in the major leagues have used performance enhancers and/or amphetamines over the course of their careers.

Also, Grimsley played with the Orioles during the 2004-2005 season. So that means these players that we're using on that team (Tejada, Gibbons, Roberts) assuming Grimsley didn't lie, were using when it was actually illegal in baseball to be doing so. Were they caught? Nope. That suggests that the testing may not be actually catching everything (as previously assumed by many), and that the players haven't been deterred at all by it. Other than Segui, it also doesn't look like he implicated any HGH users, which is the new performance enhancer among baseball players. That could also be a huge problem as there isn't even a test for that.

On the bright side, this initial report suggests Pujols wasn't connected (it was thought previously that he might have been).
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Postby mweir145 » Sun Oct 01, 2006 12:54 am

Here's the full LA Times article for anybody that wants to read it:

Roger Clemens, one of professional baseball's most durable and successful pitchers, is among six players allegedly linked to performance-enhancing drugs by a former teammate, The Times has learned. The names had been blacked out in an affidavit filed in federal court.

Others whose identities had been concealed include Clemens' fellow Houston Astros pitcher Andy Pettitte and former American League most valuable player Miguel Tejada of the Baltimore Orioles.

The discovery ends four months of speculation surrounding the possible identities of Major League Baseball figures whose names were redacted from the search warrant affidavit filed in Phoenix on May 31. The document was based on statements allegedly made to federal agents by pitcher Jason Grimsley, who has since retired.

Grimsley, a journeyman relief pitcher who played on several teams, including the New York Yankees, Baltimore Orioles and the Angels, acknowledged using steroids, amphetamines and other drugs, investigators said in the document. He also implicated a number of former teammates, but the names were blacked out in copies of the affidavit made public in June after investigators used the warrant to raid Grimsley's house.

A source with authorized access to an unredacted affidavit allowed The Times to see it briefly and read aloud some of what had been blacked out of the public copies. A second source and confidant of Grimsley had previously disclosed player identities and provided additional details about the affidavit. The sources cooperated only on condition of anonymity.

According to the affidavit, Grimsley told investigators that Clemens "used athletic performance-enhancing drugs." He also allegedly said Tejada used anabolic steroids.

Clemens and Pettitte did not respond to requests for comment made Saturday through their agents and the Astros. Tejada had previously declined to be interviewed.

Grimsley was questioned by investigators after he allegedly received an illegal shipment of human growth hormone, or HGH. The shipment was tracked to his Scottsdale, Ariz., home by a task force of federal agents investigating drug use in professional baseball, the affidavit said.

For a time, Grimsley secretly cooperated with investigators, they said, but stopped after retaining a lawyer.

According to the 20-page search warrant affidavit, signed by IRS Special Agent Jeff Novitzky, Grimsley told investigators he obtained amphetamines, anabolic steroids and human growth hormone from someone recommended to him by, a source said, former Yankees trainer Brian McNamee. The former team trainer is a personal strength coach for Clemens and Pettitte.

McNamee did not return several messages left with his wife and on his answering machine.

The affidavit also alleges that Grimsley told federal agents that former Orioles teammates Tejada, Brian Roberts and Jay Gibbons "took anabolic steroids." Roberts was the American League's all-star second baseman in 2005 when Grimsley was an Oriole.

All three Baltimore players declined to be interviewed. Roberts said he had "nothing to talk about" and didn't know why he was named.

A sixth player, retired outfielder and first baseman David Segui, previously came forward to say that his name was among those blacked out in the affidavit provided to the public. Segui told ESPN in June that he used HGH on the advice of his doctor as recently as the 2004 season. He did not obtain approval from the league, he acknowledged.

Government officials have declined to comment about their ongoing investigation of drugs in professional baseball.

Clemens, 44, a seven-time Cy Young Award winner who came out of retirement to pitch for the Astros in each of the last two years, was a teammate of Grimsley on the Yankees in 1999 and 2000, as was Pettitte, a two-time all-star who is nearing 200 career wins. Grimsley, Tejada, Gibbons and Roberts were teammates in Baltimore during the 2005 season.

Grimsley started this year with the Arizona Diamondbacks, but requested voluntary retirement in June after Major League Baseball suspended him for 50 games.

Edward Novak, Grimsley's lawyer, did not return calls. Previously, he publicly disputed the claims investigators made in the affidavit, saying his client did not volunteer the names of any teammates. He said federal agents asked Grimsley to wear a recording device to gather evidence against San Francisco Giants slugger Barry Bonds and that Grimsley refused.

Grimsley was not arrested and has not been charged. Since June, he has complained to friends that federal agents attributed statements and disclosures to him that he didn't make.

"Jason is loyal to the death, a hardheaded guy who would not give up his friends," one of Grimsley's friends said Saturday. "The only names he discussed with those investigators were names ... [the investigators] suggested to him."


The Grimsley friend, who talked about the investigation on the condition he not be named, said investigators warned the pitcher that "if he didn't continue to cooperate, they would expose him as a rat."

Rich Levin, a spokesman for Major League Baseball, said the organization and players association were "doing everything we can to eliminate the use of performance-enhancing substances and amphetamines from the game."

Regarding the investigators' affidavit, Levin said baseball officials had "no information [about] how it was obtained or its accuracy."

Clemens has surprised many in the baseball world with his late-career success. Of his 348 career wins, 55 have come since the summer he turned 40. In a controversial tell-all book released two winters ago, former major leaguer Jose Canseco speculated that Clemens' late-career surge showed "classic signs" of steroid use.

"Roger says it is all nonsense," Clemens' agent Randy Hendricks responded to Newsday at the time. He said the pitcher "takes vitamin B-12 shots ... and will pass every [drug] test."

Pettitte, 34, pitched nine seasons and was a part of four World Series championships for the Yankees, then signed with the Astros after the 2003 season, helping Houston advance to the World Series in 2005. He has won 13 more games this year for a career record of 185 wins, 104 losses.

Tejada, listed at 5-foot-9, 215 pounds, hit 30 home runs in 2000 for the Oakland A's and has established himself as one of the game's best middle-infield power hitters. He was drawn into baseball's steroids scandal in August 2005, when Rafael Palmeiro, who tested positive for an anabolic steroid and was suspended for 10 games, told an appeals panel the test might have resulted from injectable vitamins given to him by Tejada. After investigating, the panel cleared Tejada.

Tejada's increasingly sullen demeanor has attracted hometown press coverage in Baltimore, where he also has become a target of complaints from fans for not hustling.

During the summer, he canceled an interview with The Times for this article. "I don't want to talk to you," he said. Later, Tejada referred a reporter to agent Diego Bentz, who did not return calls.

Outfielder Gibbons, a product of Mayfair High in Lakewood and Cal State Los Angeles, spent late June on the disabled list with a knee injury in Scottsdale, Ariz. His father, Jim, acknowledged at his Lakewood home on July 5 that the player was aware of the affidavit.

"Is this about Grimsley?" the elder Gibbons asked a Times reporter. "I'm not saying anything about it. I'll let him know you stopped by."

Roberts, listed at 5-9, 175, hit 18 home runs in 561 at-bats last season, matching his combined total through the previous six years in the major and minor leagues.

Grimsley, a right-hander, told investigators he had used anabolic steroids beginning in 2000, tested positive during 2003 trial testing, and switched to human growth hormone, undetectable in a urine test, after that. He admitted to using amphetamines until an agreement with the players association banned them several months ago, according to the affidavit.

In a major league career that began with the Philadelphia Phillies in 1989, Grimsley played for seven organizations. He played alongside Clemens and Pettitte with the Yankees in 1999-2000 and Tejada, Gibbons, Roberts and Segui with the Orioles in 2004-05.

Baseball's steroid scandal, which stemmed from a federal investigation of the Bay Area Laboratory Co-Operative, or BALCO, appears to have broadened. According to the affidavit, Grimsley told agents about doctors in Florida and Colorado who have provided drugs to ballplayers. The task force handling the probe is headed by Novitzky.

Major League Baseball has set up a board of inquiry headed by former U.S. Sen. George Mitchell of Maine to investigate steroid use among ballplayers. The probe has been criticized as slow-moving and weak. Key figures, including retired slugger Mark McGwire, have reportedly declined to participate.

The investigators cannot compel testimony.

mailto:lance.pugmire@latimes.com

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Postby The_Met_Threat » Sun Oct 01, 2006 12:57 am

Id like to see if all the Bonds haters now turn into Clemens haters, Pettite haters, etc.
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Postby George_Foreman » Sun Oct 01, 2006 1:00 am

Nono, these are obviously false accusations. Bonds is the only guy who's ever used steroids in MLB. That's why he's the Antichrist. I mean, it's not like other people have heads the size of Barry, and that is the best way to judge if someone used steroids.
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Postby TheYanks04 » Sun Oct 01, 2006 1:16 am

The Bonds apolgists feel slighted...cry cry. Break out the crying toels for poor Balco Barry.

Like anyone thinks Giambi or Sheff or Palmeiro or Sosa or Bret Boone or etc.. are innoncent? Obfuscate all you want. Your boy is still going to be the most hated person in MLB and the poster-boy for roids and rightfully so. And he will likely remain so even if/when they bring Tejada or Clemens's reputation down. Simple matter of fact is that they are all guilty, but Bonds is by far the biggest cheater and biggest jerk around.
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