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Is Pedro a Hall of Famer...

On the First Ballot?
53
84%
On the Second or Third Ballot?
10
16%
On a Later BBWAA Ballot?
0
No votes
On Veterans Committee Ballot?
0
No votes
He is not a Hall of Fame Pitcher.
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No votes
 
Total votes : 63

Postby The Miner Part 2 » Sun Oct 01, 2006 1:12 am

TheYanks04 wrote:
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TheYanks04 wrote:Visualization of the class of Pedro Martinez...nice.


70 year old man with a gimpy leg and a plate in his head...lets do a head grab and slam.


Visualization of the class of Pedro Martinez...nice.
Visualization of the class of Don Zimmer...not so much.

70 year old man with a gimpy leg and plate in his head...charges one of the smallest and most fragile pitchers in the game with no personal provocation whatsoever and Pedro simply let's Zimmer's momentum continue, in a move that a bullfighter would love, instead of punching him in the face - which Zim deserved and unquestionably should have expected for charging him.

I love Zim but there's a reason he apologized. He was at fault.



Poor fragile Pedro is 5 feet 11 inches tall and 180 pounds. That may be small compared to Clemens or most other MLB pitchers. It is still bigger than the average male.


Simply let his momentum carry him...come on. Most people can walk faster than Zim can run. Zim was wrong. It still does not make what Pedro did anything but what it is. He is a punk that has hidden behind his team mates for his entire career and the only person he has ever "fought" over it is a 70 year old man with a gimpy leg and a plate in his head.


6 years ago called.

they want this argument back..
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Postby 1337_Dude » Sun Oct 01, 2006 1:27 am

He should get in on the 1st ballot and if he doesn't then easily on the 2nd.
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Postby DeadWinterDay » Sun Oct 01, 2006 1:40 am

First ballot. His 2000 campain is argueably the best of all time.
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Postby thedude » Sun Oct 01, 2006 11:13 am

TheYanks04 wrote:
Melo255 wrote:
TheYanks04 wrote:Visualization of the class of Pedro Martinez...nice.


70 year old man with a gimpy leg and a plate in his head...lets do a head grab and slam.


Visualization of the class of Pedro Martinez...nice.
Visualization of the class of Don Zimmer...not so much.

70 year old man with a gimpy leg and plate in his head...charges one of the smallest and most fragile pitchers in the game with no personal provocation whatsoever and Pedro simply let's Zimmer's momentum continue, in a move that a bullfighter would love, instead of punching him in the face - which Zim deserved and unquestionably should have expected for charging him.

I love Zim but there's a reason he apologized. He was at fault.



Poor fragile Pedro is 5 feet 11 inches tall and 180 pounds. That may be small compared to Clemens or most other MLB pitchers. It is still bigger than the average male.


Simply let his momentum carry him...come on. Most people can walk faster than Zim can run. Zim was wrong. It still does not make what Pedro did anything but what it is. He is a punk that has hidden behind his team mates for his entire career and the only person he has ever "fought" over it is a 70 year old man with a gimpy leg and a plate in his head.



A 70 year old man, who is the one who went looking for Pedro and attacked him, and then later admitted he was the one at fault...

You are talking like Pedro waited outside the Yankee clubhouse for Zim, hit himm with a baseball bat, and ran away.
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Postby wrveres » Sun Oct 01, 2006 12:11 pm

TheYanks04 wrote:Visualization of the class of Pedro Martinez...nice.


70 year old man with a gimpy leg and a plate in his head...lets do a head grab and slam.


lol ..

He was just pushing him out of the way ;-7
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Postby George_Foreman » Sun Oct 01, 2006 4:25 pm

The Miner Part 2 wrote:pedro has a great career era, but are there any sp's in the hall with as few wins as he has?
Ahh, but is there anyone in baseball with a better career winning%?

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Postby J35J » Mon Oct 02, 2006 11:58 am

I would bring to question anyone who would question whether or not he is a first ballot HOFer.

He screams of "a right handed Koufax" to me. If he was done after this year it wouldn't have been a long career but he was one of the best pitchers ever to toe the rubber!


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Postby Yoda » Mon Oct 02, 2006 12:04 pm

This isn't even a debate. Pedro is a shoe-in first ballot.
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Postby Absolutely Adequate » Mon Oct 02, 2006 12:07 pm

Next debate: "Babe Ruth - was he a good hitter?"
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Postby Tavish » Mon Oct 02, 2006 12:48 pm

J35J wrote:I would bring to question anyone who would question whether or not he is a first ballot HOFer.

He screams of "a right handed Koufax" to me. If he was done after this year it wouldn't have been a long career but he was one of the best pitchers ever to toe the rubber!


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Pedro was way more dominating than Koufax was, at least during the regular season. Pedro was more dominating than any pitcher in the history of baseball, and its not even really close. Pedro's ERA is better than Koufax's even though teams in Pedro's time score a full run more per game than they did during Koufax's.

Koufax has the mystique that came along with the great World Series performances. Pedro was shackled with the fragile label even though he averages over 190 IP a season.

166 ERA+ is 18 better than the next closest pitcher (Lefty Grove).
Of the 35 200 or better ERA+ seasons in history Pedro has 4 of them. Only Walter Johnson, whom many consider to be the greatest pitcher ever, has as many.

Best ERA of his generation of pitchers.
Best Winning Percentage of his generation (3rd best in history).
Best WHIP of his generation (3rd best in history).
Best H/9 of his generation (3rd best in history).
3rd highest K rate in history.
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