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Postby teddy ballgame » Wed Sep 20, 2006 5:42 pm

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TheYanks04 wrote:4. Helton loses his power in his early 30's...in Coors no less. All the nonsense about humidor's does not seem to bother Holliday or Atkins, just powerless Todd.

Atkins has less HR at home than on the road. The humidor's effect has been seen across the board, whether it's pitching, or home run totals. It has affected other people than Helton, and pretty much every stat about park effects from this season shows that.


The players define the stats, not the other way around.

Helton is not hitting homers anywhere. !5 homers, 8 at home this year. This from a guy that used to hit at least twice that many (and was only 31 years old when serious roid testing went into affect).

Holiday has hit 28 homers (twice Helton's) with 17 at home and 11 on the road.

Atkins has 25 with a 12/13 split. It seems only Todd without his vitamins is having a problem here cracking high 20's-30 Hrs. Now why is that? Quack...quack.

And as for the stats...a punchless Helton...no Larry Walker...no Preston Wilson of a few years ago and a team of basically Atkins, Holliday and a bunch of AAA players with the likes of:

C Chris Iannetta
2B Kaz Matsui\Carroll
SS Troy Tulowitzki/Barmes
CF Jeff Salazar


just might have something to do with lessened run production.

I'm not even saying he didn't use steroids, because he very well may have...but his home splits are by no means evidence, as everyone's numbers at Coors have been diminished.
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Postby TheYanks04 » Wed Sep 20, 2006 6:26 pm

teddy ballgame wrote:
TheYanks04 wrote:
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TheYanks04 wrote:4. Helton loses his power in his early 30's...in Coors no less. All the nonsense about humidor's does not seem to bother Holliday or Atkins, just powerless Todd.

Atkins has less HR at home than on the road. The humidor's effect has been seen across the board, whether it's pitching, or home run totals. It has affected other people than Helton, and pretty much every stat about park effects from this season shows that.


The players define the stats, not the other way around.

Helton is not hitting homers anywhere. !5 homers, 8 at home this year. This from a guy that used to hit at least twice that many (and was only 31 years old when serious roid testing went into affect).

Holiday has hit 28 homers (twice Helton's) with 17 at home and 11 on the road.

Atkins has 25 with a 12/13 split. It seems only Todd without his vitamins is having a problem here cracking high 20's-30 Hrs. Now why is that? Quack...quack.

And as for the stats...a punchless Helton...no Larry Walker...no Preston Wilson of a few years ago and a team of basically Atkins, Holliday and a bunch of AAA players with the likes of:

C Chris Iannetta
2B Kaz Matsui\Carroll
SS Troy Tulowitzki/Barmes
CF Jeff Salazar


just might have something to do with lessened run production.

I'm not even saying he didn't use steroids, because he very well may have...but his home splits are by no means evidence, as everyone's numbers at Coors have been diminished.



I agree with that. His overall numbers are evidence enough for me. Playing half his games in Coors just makes the sudden lack of power even more damning imo.
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Postby dannahann » Wed Sep 20, 2006 7:16 pm

Sure are lots of "other explainations" (cough excuses) out there. I've been trying to find the other evidence to why some of these guys amazingly grew bigger heads well into adulthood.
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Postby TheYanks04 » Wed Sep 20, 2006 7:43 pm

dannahann wrote:Sure are lots of "other explainations" (cough excuses) out there. I've been trying to find the other evidence to why some of these guys amazingly grew bigger heads well into adulthood.
"how odd?" :-D


LOL...Flax seed oil...Vitamins...head excercises?

Take a look at the film "Rookie of the Year" (circa 1993) if you want to get a laugh. In it, as the young 10 year old kid strikes out some noted MLB players of the era, they show Barry Bonds as one of the K victims. His head is like 1/2 the size it is now and you would not even know it was Bonds if it wasn't for the name on the back of the uniform.
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