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Postby wrveres » Thu Sep 07, 2006 1:15 pm

Pogotheostrich wrote:
KoopaTroopa211 wrote:By the way, does anybody want to join the (anti-) fan club? :-D
What's a High Guardian? Sounds a little too much like D&D for me. :-D


well considering I just lost Mike G .. I cast a level 4 mana spell at Izzy ..
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Postby j_d_mcnugent » Thu Sep 07, 2006 2:46 pm

if izzy goes down i think it will probably be a CBC with mostly looper and occasionaly wainwright getting the saves. they still prefer not to pitch wainwright on back to back days. they like to use him for outings longer than one inning.
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Postby Zito is God » Thu Sep 07, 2006 8:13 pm

They were talking of experimenting with Wainwright starting next year. I think he would be better suited as a closer but experiments at times pan out (Gagne, Eric and Lowe, Derek) and I can see them experimenting. If nothing more Wainwright will likely be the primary set up guy with 30+ holds next year and get occasional saves depending on who is in the closer role next year.
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Postby JTWood » Fri Sep 08, 2006 8:41 am

Zito is God wrote:They were talking of experimenting with Wainwright starting next year. I think he would be better suited as a closer but experiments at times pan out (Gagne, Eric and Lowe, Derek) and I can see them experimenting. If nothing more Wainwright will likely be the primary set up guy with 30+ holds next year and get occasional saves depending on who is in the closer role next year.

Right now, the Cards are losing 4 SPs after this season. Wainwright is starting next year.
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Postby Jimbo OZ » Fri Sep 08, 2006 8:52 am

It looks like Izzy could be out for a week and a half. I have a feeling Wainwright might get more opps than Looper due to Looper's struggles against lefties.

Check out the info from stltoday.com.
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Postby JTWood » Fri Sep 08, 2006 8:56 am

Jimbo OZ wrote:It looks like Izzy could be out for a week and a half. I have a feeling Wainwright might get more opps than Looper due to Looper's struggles against lefties.

Check out the info from stltoday.com.

Looks like CBC. Looper for the righties. Wainwright for the lefties. If either of those guys are available on your WW, get them now. I'd go with Looper if you need more opps.

In Isringhausen's absence, the Cardinals have two likely candidates to handle his closing responsibility. Righthander Braden Looper has been a closer for both Florida and the New York Mets, and when he signed with the Cardinals, the club indicated he could develop into Isringhausen's heir. Looper has recently aced his setup role, getting eight wins in relief, but he continues to work on his effectiveness against lefties. The Cardinals would not shy from using matchups to dictate the ninth, said manager Tony La Russa.

Rookie Adam Wainwright, the more likely of the two to handle the closing job, has been the club's stingiest reliever. He leads the team with 16 holds -- and holds are assessed by the same rules as save situations, but they apply to middle innings.

"I feel a little more comfortable with Wainwright (against lefties) because he's got more things that he can do to get a lefthander out," pitching coach Dave Duncan said. "He does all the things that you look for in a late-game pitcher. He warms up quick. He doesn't really get excited. The ingredients are all there."
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Postby slomo007 » Fri Sep 08, 2006 9:16 am

Wait, what is this about Wainwright getting left handed hitters out while Looper struggles against them? Seems to me that they are both crappy against them, but actually Looper is slightly less crappy.

Wainwright's splits:
<pre> vs. Left 54 0 0 0 0 0 0 24.0 30 - - 5 12 34 - 1.75 .300
vs. Right 54 0 0 0 0 0 0 44.1 27 - - 1 8 31 - 0.79 .178 </pre>

Looper's splits:
<pre> vs. Left 61 0 0 0 0 0 0 22.0 25 - - 1 11 14 - 1.64 .301
vs. Right 59 0 0 0 0 0 0 43.1 40 - - 2 6 23 - 1.06 .250 </pre>
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Postby j_d_mcnugent » Fri Sep 08, 2006 9:22 am

looks like wainwright might be the guy

Braden Looper pitched scoreless seventh and eighth innings and funneled a lead to Adam Wainwright, who had been awaiting a save situation in the ninth inning. The rookie righthander worked a perfect ninth to clinch the 6-2 victory against the reeling Arizona Diamondbacks.
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Postby slomo007 » Fri Sep 08, 2006 9:26 am

Damn, now both the Reds and Cardinals have me confused.

Weathers
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Looper
Wainwright

Guess I'll go with Wainwright...but hell if I know.

On a slightly off topic note, has anyone else realized that Brian Fuentes hasn't recorded a save in about a month?
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Postby jealousblues » Fri Sep 08, 2006 1:58 pm

Believe me i have^
Right now, i have Rivera, Saito, Fuentes, Valverde.


Im trying to figure out if either of these two are worth a pick up
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