Art Vandelay wrote: Fireball Express wrote: Art Vandelay wrote:
Fireball Express wrote:Let's just say that I still support the war effort and I still support the troops.
I know many people who think this way, and I was this way at first (at least in Afganistan). But I am seriously beginning to think that the two are mutually exclusive. I don't think anyone who supports this war (as currently being executed), and also say they are pro-troops.
I guess you can say someone could not support the war but they still support the troops. You can also say that someone could support the war and not care less about the troops. Personally, I support both.
I'm saying I think the only way to support the troops is to NOT support the war, at least not as presently executed. If you support a war where the troops are not properly staffed or equipped and where they are being recalled after their service should be up; where there is no plan for completion, or exit strategy, to use a popular term; where there is no defined enemy; and where there is no defined goal, then you are by extension not supporting the troops being put in harms way, if you support the continuation of the war.
This thread is turning into what I didn't want this thread to turn into. Maybe that was AA's intent all along, as he can be devious.
There is a plan of completion. It's to hand over security operations to the Iraqi troops. This has already happened in the Kurdish region of the country.
You can say they are not properly equipped, but then again in all wars our troops were not properly equipped at first. As the enemy adapts and evolves so does our equiptment. It's an ongoing process. Our troops are better equipped today than the day this war started.
The enemy has changed in this war. First it was Saddam's regime and the Iraqi military. Now it's insurgents supplied by countries like Iraq and Syria who want control of the region. These counties do it purposely to create instability in the region. There is also fighting between the different Muslim sects in the country. I wouldn't consider them our enemy, more like a pesky problem.
Now, I do support the war but I may have done some things diffently. First, I wouldn't have disbanded the whole Iraqi military. I would have just removed those in command who were loyal to Saddam. Also I would have secured the borders so to prevent the flow of outsiders entering the theater.
Now just because I would have done things differently doesn't mean that I think we should just pull out our troops and end the war. Nor does it mean that I don't support the troops as they fight this war.