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Postby Kurtangletn » Mon Sep 04, 2006 2:11 pm

skinsfan wrote:Based on winning me ONE big game, not fantasy drafting here:

1. Pedro
2. Santana
2. Halladay
4. Carpenter
5. Lackey
6. Verlander
7. Zito
8. Willis
8. Liriano
10. Arroyo (just because I've seen him do it before)

Honorable Mention: Oswalt, Clemens, Peavy
One big game and schilling is not on that list? Willis hasn't proven anything in big games besides that he can't handle them. Liriano hasn't had a chance.
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Postby Snakes Gould » Mon Sep 04, 2006 2:18 pm

Havok1517 wrote:
brandnew wrote:Wang?! Homerism at its greatest...

Santana
Halladay
Liriano
Carpenter
Zambrano
Oswalt
Peavy
Sheets
Webb


Wang is no where near top 10 SPs in baseball. Also, Liriano is going to have to pitch a lil more for him to make my top 10.

All things being equal and no health issues...

1. Santana
2. Harden
3. Prior
4. Halladay
5. Zambrano
6. Pedro
7. Sheets
8. Oswalt
9. Peavy
10. Kazmir

Now taking injuries into consideration...

1. Santana
2. Halladay
3. Zambrano
4. Oswalt
5. Webb
6. Sabathia
7. Peavy
8. Pedro
9. Zito
10. Carpenter


how is it even possible to NOT take injuries into consideration :-?
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Postby teddy ballgame » Mon Sep 04, 2006 2:18 pm

Kurtangletn wrote:
skinsfan wrote:Based on winning me ONE big game, not fantasy drafting here:

1. Pedro
2. Santana
2. Halladay
4. Carpenter
5. Lackey
6. Verlander
7. Zito
8. Willis
8. Liriano
10. Arroyo (just because I've seen him do it before)

Honorable Mention: Oswalt, Clemens, Peavy
One big game and schilling is not on that list? Willis hasn't proven anything in big games besides that he can't handle them. Liriano hasn't had a chance.

Exactly. For one big game that list needs some work. Schilling, Clemens (HM isn't enough). I would even throw Wells into the mix for one big game.
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Postby Mugrila » Mon Sep 04, 2006 2:29 pm

Santana
Carp
Peavy
Oswalt
Halladay
Webb
Smoltz
Zambrano
Haren
Kazmir


Young guns that need some more time before joining the group: Liriano, Verlander, Felix
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Postby Havok1517 » Mon Sep 04, 2006 2:35 pm

Snakes Gould wrote:
Havok1517 wrote:
brandnew wrote:Wang?! Homerism at its greatest...

Santana
Halladay
Liriano
Carpenter
Zambrano
Oswalt
Peavy
Sheets
Webb


Wang is no where near top 10 SPs in baseball. Also, Liriano is going to have to pitch a lil more for him to make my top 10.

All things being equal and no health issues...

1. Santana
2. Harden
3. Prior
4. Halladay
5. Zambrano
6. Pedro
7. Sheets
8. Oswalt
9. Peavy
10. Kazmir

Now taking injuries into consideration...

1. Santana
2. Halladay
3. Zambrano
4. Oswalt
5. Webb
6. Sabathia
7. Peavy
8. Pedro
9. Zito
10. Carpenter


how is it even possible to NOT take injuries into consideration :-?


Well, whos to say that these oft-injured pitchers won't finally stay healthy? There have been pitchers that had some early injuries and rebounded to have a great career. A great example of this would be Chris Carpenter. I'm not saying they will but a healthy Harden and Prior is better than just about every other pitcher in the league, no question. If Harden gets healthy and starts in the playoffs, look for a 2003 Beckett-esque performance. I'm just basing it on potential and pure stuff when healthy which is why I had the 2nd list with those oft-injured pitcher off it besides Pedro.
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Postby skinsfan » Mon Sep 04, 2006 2:51 pm

I guess I let season-long expectations creep in a bit on my ONE big game ranking. I would throw Maddux and Schilling in there in place of Zito and Liriano.

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8(t). Maddux

But I still would want Willis in a big game. I've seen him dominate enough, pitch well in the WS, and I'd expect him to bring his best stuff.
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Postby davidmarver » Mon Sep 04, 2006 4:12 pm

teddy ballgame wrote:Exactly. For one big game that list needs some work. Schilling, Clemens (HM isn't enough). I would even throw Wells into the mix for one big game.

Experience is one of the most overrated categories for postseason success; we've seen time-and-time again rookies and young players pitch exceptional in the playoffs and/or World Series. In recent memory, see Francisco Rodriguez, John Lackey, Bobby Jenks, Josh Beckett, Brad Penny (World Series). I think postseason experience is a huge misconception; big game or not, you take the best pitcher.

As far as top ten pitchers from this date on, if I were a GM this would be my order:
1. Santana
2. Peavy
3. Webb
4. Liriano
5. Kazmir
6. Verlander
7. Zambrano
8. Hamels
9. F. Hernandez
10. Cain
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Postby dannahann » Mon Sep 04, 2006 5:41 pm

Assuming redraft next spring (and it's waaaay too early to do so yet) I'd go:
1. Santana
2. Oswalt
3. Zambrano
4. Peavy
5. Halladay
6. Carpenter
7.Webb
8. Liriano
9. Pedro
10. Verlander
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Postby moose32 » Mon Sep 04, 2006 5:59 pm

1. Santana
2. Carpenter
3. Halladay
4. Zambrano
5. Clemens
6. Peavy
7. Kazmir
8. Liriano
9. Oswalt
10. Webb
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Postby tinfoilxtouch » Mon Sep 04, 2006 6:22 pm

It's a tough question to answer, just because the position is so heavily influenced by injury. Everyone has Kazmir and Liriano on their lists... where are Harden or even Prior then? If you're going to put injury-prone players so high, don't be so selective.

For next season, ignoring run support as a factor:

1. Johan
2. Oswalt
3. Kazmir
4. Webb
5. Halladay
6. Carpenter
7. Haren
8. Capuano
9. Zito
10. Harden (#2 if actually healthy)
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