Haf/Papi

[jswede]

I had supported Haf all along, but now it should be pretty clear to all that Ortiz is in second. and whether a team is contending means nothing in voting - that is a myth.

Hafner: 452ab, .310avg, 99run, 42hr, 116rbi, .437obp, .667slg

Ortiz: 485ab, .286avg, 99run, 47hr, 121rbi .400obp, .600slg

We've discussed at length that Ortiz has had much more baserunners and that he has Manny behind him (Manny+Fenway=best protection ever?), but let's just leave that out.

Tell me I'm wrong when I say Hafner is a clear number 1.

[Strasil42]

I had supported Haf all along, but now it should be pretty clear to all that Ortiz is in second. and whether a team is contending means nothing in voting - that is a myth.

Hafner: 452ab, .310avg, 99run, 42hr, 116rbi, .437obp, .667slg

Ortiz: 485ab, .286avg, 99run, 47hr, 121rbi .400obp, .600slg

We've discussed at length that Ortiz has had much more baserunners and that he has Manny behind him (Manny+Fenway=best protection ever?), but let's just leave that out.

Tell me I'm wrong when I say Hafner is a clear number 1.

You are not wrong.

Hafner is the best DH in the league.

[1337_Dude]

If you're talking about the MVP, then I would say Hafner has passed Ortiz, of course he passed him a long time ago in my eyes.

As for a team's success translating to MVP votes. Well, I don't think it's a myth at all. I don't know the number right off, but I know very few guys on bad teams have one the MVP. I highly doubt that it's a coincidence.

[superslugger616]

Haf all the way

[Krunk City King$]

Haf all the way

[sportsguy138]

woops not sure why i did it with arod

Here's some more..

ORTIZ/HAFNER

VORP 61/80
WS 22/23
RC 118.4/123.6

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[DK]

If you're talking about AL MVP - which it seems you are because you mentioned voting - I think it'd be interesting to check out the AL Win Shares.

Ramirez - 26
Mauer - 26
Jeter - 25
Hafner - 23
Ortiz - 22

Based solely on hitting:

Ramirez - 24
Hafner - 23
Ortiz - 22
Giambi - 22
Thome - 22

RC:
Hafner - 123
Jeter - 111
Ramirez - 108
Ortiz - 105
Thome - 105

Take that for what it's worth.

[acsguitar]

I think its Ramirez at least he plays in the field.

DH = no MVP

[tinfoilxtouch]

I think its Ramirez at least he plays in the field.

DH = no MVP

Manny would be more of an MVP if he didn't play the field. Remember his cutoff play?

[Strasil42]

I think its Ramirez at least he plays in the field.

DH = no MVP

Manny would be more of an MVP if he didn't play the field. Remember his cutoff play?

I'm sure a lot of players would hit better if they didn't have to play 150+ games in the field every year.

Sitting in the A/C between innings would definetly be a lot easier on the body.