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Postby shortsavage » Thu Aug 31, 2006 2:45 am

For anyone who is constantly getting involved in debates about what kind of scoring system your league should use, I would strongly reccomend Alan Schwarz's The Numbers Game.

It just went down to $5.99. http://www.amazon.com/Numbers-Game-Base ... 36?ie=UTF8

If I win my league this year, I'm going to buy a copy of it for every owner prior to our winter rules meeting.
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Postby shortsavage » Wed Sep 06, 2006 11:30 pm

No one is interested in gaining knowledge of the history of baseball statistics in order to better their scoring system?

Is this concept too difficult to explore?
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Postby Old_Style » Thu Sep 07, 2006 12:39 am

shortsavage wrote:No one is interested in gaining knowledge of the history of baseball statistics in order to better their scoring system?

Is this concept too difficult to explore?


no, the $5.99 is just too expensive for my taste. :-D :-D
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Postby sharksfan1139 » Thu Sep 07, 2006 12:42 am

how about you stop insulting everyones intelligence in your posts just because no one wants to reply to your stupid topics
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Postby Old_Style » Thu Sep 07, 2006 12:45 am

LET'S PLAY THE FEUD!!!
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Postby shortsavage » Thu Sep 07, 2006 3:24 am

sharksfan1139 wrote:how about you stop insulting everyones intelligence in your posts just because no one wants to reply to your stupid topics


Thank you for gracing me with your eloquence. If this sort of challenge insults your intelligence, I am sorry.
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Postby wrveres » Thu Sep 07, 2006 3:53 am

You know you're a September callup fan when you think Matt Garza is a top five pitching prospect.


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Postby Tavish » Thu Sep 07, 2006 8:08 am

shortsavage wrote:No one is interested in gaining knowledge of the history of baseball statistics in order to better their scoring system?

Is this concept too difficult to explore?


So knowing that George Lindsay developed an early version of linear weights will make the league scoring better? There are several reasons for someone interested in baseball to read The Numbers Game, improving their league scoring system isn't really one of them.
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Postby shortsavage » Thu Sep 07, 2006 11:41 am

Tavish wrote:
shortsavage wrote:No one is interested in gaining knowledge of the history of baseball statistics in order to better their scoring system?

Is this concept too difficult to explore?


So knowing that George Lindsay developed an early version of linear weights will make the league scoring better? There are several reasons for someone interested in baseball to read The Numbers Game, improving their league scoring system isn't really one of them.


How about knowing that the creator of RBI (Henry Chadwick if I recall correctly) went on to detest them? Or that OPS essentially came about through the work of Earnshaw Cook back in the 1960's? And that Bill James was blamed for the misuse of statistics by the baseball community because it didn't understand his work?

I think my tie into scoring systems was a clever way to justify this thread remaining in this forum. Most baseball fans would love to indulge into this kind of stuff, but they don't know about it.

The baseball traditionalist not only resides in the form of baseball historians, scouts, coaches, writers, and analiststs, it resonates in the fantasy fan as well.

Does Cy Young voting make that much more sense than 5x5 Roto? Win chasing vs. win chasing. Should someone with the career stolen base percentage of Rod Carew (65.4) really have been allowed to steal 353 bases? Most scoring systems have fantasy fans saying yes.

Your response, Tavish, makes me lean toward thinking that these concepts are too difficult for the casual fan to explore. If you have all those credibility icons next to your name and you didn't even recognize the potential fantasy improvements that can made by understanding the history of basseball data and statistics, then I don't expect the young bucks around here to grasp them.
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Postby joshheines » Thu Sep 07, 2006 11:53 am

Really? Are you kidding me? Do we really have to endure anymore of this friggin BS?
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