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Who Should Win the NL MVP

Carlos Beltran
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24%
Ryan Howard
41
39%
Albert Pujols
28
27%
Alfonso Soriano
6
6%
other (please post player)
4
4%
 
Total votes : 104

Postby rib217 » Wed Sep 06, 2006 1:35 pm

There is so much more to Baseball than HR and RBI's. Pujols basically dominates Howard in most other categories as has been shown in post after post of numbers. Howard Obviously has hit the HR's and RBI's....what else does he beat Pujols in. And what is Pujols beating Howard in? Pujols is the MVP!!!
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Postby Kingctb27 » Wed Sep 06, 2006 2:01 pm

pokerplaya wrote:
bigh0rt wrote:Here's something else to chew on... not only is Howard not the NL MVP, but I'd give the Award to Beltran, Berkman, and M-Cab before him this season, too.

Go ahead, tell me how many HRs he's hit again. ;-7


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Postby RynMan » Wed Sep 06, 2006 8:14 pm

bigh0rt wrote:
DK wrote:
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RGreener26 wrote:Look at VORP in the 2nd half, and VORP down the current stretch...and then hail King Howard.


If the season started after the All Star break, then I would.


Howard's WOI rating dominates Pujols's though, before and after the all-star break. His 6.2 CE Wins can't be ignored either.


Edge goes to Pujols in FKR, EQ, and KTG though. Don't bring that noise to me!!


Neither of you fools adjusted for EFC frequencies. Once you do that, Pujols is the clear favourite.
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Postby Geek » Sat Sep 09, 2006 12:07 am

rib217 wrote:There is so much more to Baseball than HR and RBI's. Pujols basically dominates Howard in most other categories as has been shown in post after post of numbers. Howard Obviously has hit the HR's and RBI's....what else does he beat Pujols in. And what is Pujols beating Howard in? Pujols is the MVP!!!


Pujols has the edge in batting average and runs scored, and Howard has the edge in HR and RBI.

But Howard's gonna win it this year. 60+ and 150+ just is too much to be denied.
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Postby TheYanks04 » Sat Sep 09, 2006 12:12 am

Geek wrote:
rib217 wrote:There is so much more to Baseball than HR and RBI's. Pujols basically dominates Howard in most other categories as has been shown in post after post of numbers. Howard Obviously has hit the HR's and RBI's....what else does he beat Pujols in. And what is Pujols beating Howard in? Pujols is the MVP!!!


Pujols has the edge in batting average and runs scored, and Howard has the edge in HR and RBI.

But Howard's gonna win it this year. 60+ and 150+ just is too much to be denied.



I agree. If Howard posts 61+ homers with the rest of his numbers he will beat out Pujols at this point imo. Being the first "clean" player to break Maris' record along with the rest of his numbers will just be too much for most writers to bypass. The many Bonds apologists here a(along with whatever few Sosa and Mcwire apologists exist) can spout their obfuscating arguments all they want, but the entire world knows they were/are cheaters.
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Postby mweir145 » Sat Sep 09, 2006 12:22 am

TheYanks04 wrote:
Geek wrote:
rib217 wrote:There is so much more to Baseball than HR and RBI's. Pujols basically dominates Howard in most other categories as has been shown in post after post of numbers. Howard Obviously has hit the HR's and RBI's....what else does he beat Pujols in. And what is Pujols beating Howard in? Pujols is the MVP!!!


Pujols has the edge in batting average and runs scored, and Howard has the edge in HR and RBI.

But Howard's gonna win it this year. 60+ and 150+ just is too much to be denied.



I agree. If Howard posts 61+ homers with the rest of his numbers he will beat out Pujols at this point imo. Being the first "clean" player to break Maris' record along with the rest of his numbers will just be too much for most writers to bypass. The many Bonds apologists here a(along with whatever few Sosa and Mcwire apologists exist) can spout their obfuscating arguments all they want, but the entire world knows they were/are cheaters.

You can't be a cheater if you never broke the rules. Also, none of those guys ever failed a drug test, much the same as Howard (although I'm not sure why anybody would straight out just assume he's clean, there is undetectable stuff out there as well as HGH, which is the new substance of choice in baseball according to Jason Grimsley).


As for who should win MVP...Pujols should, but Howard will.
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Postby ukrneal » Sat Sep 09, 2006 2:18 am

mweir145 wrote:
TheYanks04 wrote:
Geek wrote:
rib217 wrote:There is so much more to Baseball than HR and RBI's. Pujols basically dominates Howard in most other categories as has been shown in post after post of numbers. Howard Obviously has hit the HR's and RBI's....what else does he beat Pujols in. And what is Pujols beating Howard in? Pujols is the MVP!!!


Pujols has the edge in batting average and runs scored, and Howard has the edge in HR and RBI.

But Howard's gonna win it this year. 60+ and 150+ just is too much to be denied.



I agree. If Howard posts 61+ homers with the rest of his numbers he will beat out Pujols at this point imo. Being the first "clean" player to break Maris' record along with the rest of his numbers will just be too much for most writers to bypass. The many Bonds apologists here a(along with whatever few Sosa and Mcwire apologists exist) can spout their obfuscating arguments all they want, but the entire world knows they were/are cheaters.

You can't be a cheater if you never broke the rules. Also, none of those guys ever failed a drug test, much the same as Howard (although I'm not sure why anybody would straight out just assume he's clean, there is undetectable stuff out there as well as HGH, which is the new substance of choice in baseball according to Jason Grimsley).


As for who should win MVP...Pujols should, but Howard will.


Actually, that is not quite true. You can not break the rules and cheat. "Cheaters violate the spirit and/or the letter of the rules of competition." You wouldn't agree?
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Postby mweir145 » Sat Sep 09, 2006 2:24 am

ukrneal wrote:
mweir145 wrote:
TheYanks04 wrote:
Geek wrote:
rib217 wrote:There is so much more to Baseball than HR and RBI's. Pujols basically dominates Howard in most other categories as has been shown in post after post of numbers. Howard Obviously has hit the HR's and RBI's....what else does he beat Pujols in. And what is Pujols beating Howard in? Pujols is the MVP!!!


Pujols has the edge in batting average and runs scored, and Howard has the edge in HR and RBI.

But Howard's gonna win it this year. 60+ and 150+ just is too much to be denied.



I agree. If Howard posts 61+ homers with the rest of his numbers he will beat out Pujols at this point imo. Being the first "clean" player to break Maris' record along with the rest of his numbers will just be too much for most writers to bypass. The many Bonds apologists here a(along with whatever few Sosa and Mcwire apologists exist) can spout their obfuscating arguments all they want, but the entire world knows they were/are cheaters.

You can't be a cheater if you never broke the rules. Also, none of those guys ever failed a drug test, much the same as Howard (although I'm not sure why anybody would straight out just assume he's clean, there is undetectable stuff out there as well as HGH, which is the new substance of choice in baseball according to Jason Grimsley).


As for who should win MVP...Pujols should, but Howard will.


Actually, that is not quite true. You can not break the rules and cheat. "Cheaters violate the spirit and/or the letter of the rules of competition." You wouldn't agree?

Are we talking about the same sport here? The same sport that Jose Canseco once wrote 85% of major league players were taking steroids at one point in the mid 90s? The same sport where owners and the league knew full well about the massive steroid use but chose not to do anything about it? Where was this spirit of the competition you're talking about among these guys?
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Postby The Miner Part 2 » Sat Sep 09, 2006 2:30 am

pujols' glove dominates howards btw.
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Postby bigh0rt » Sat Sep 09, 2006 7:53 am

TheYanks04 wrote:
Geek wrote:
rib217 wrote:There is so much more to Baseball than HR and RBI's. Pujols basically dominates Howard in most other categories as has been shown in post after post of numbers. Howard Obviously has hit the HR's and RBI's....what else does he beat Pujols in. And what is Pujols beating Howard in? Pujols is the MVP!!!


Pujols has the edge in batting average and runs scored, and Howard has the edge in HR and RBI.

But Howard's gonna win it this year. 60+ and 150+ just is too much to be denied.



I agree. If Howard posts 61+ homers with the rest of his numbers he will beat out Pujols at this point imo. Being the first "clean" player to break Maris' record along with the rest of his numbers will just be too much for most writers to bypass. The many Bonds apologists here a(along with whatever few Sosa and Mcwire apologists exist) can spout their obfuscating arguments all they want, but the entire world knows they were/are cheaters.


If we're crucifying Mac, Sosa, etc. why are we assuming Howard is clean again? :-? Just trying to follow the train of logic here. I would say, "Are only Bonds, Mac, and Sosa capable of taking steroids and hitting a ton of HRs?" but you've already thrown guys like Todd Helton under the bus too, so it doesn't really apply...

I'm just curious why you assume one party is guilty, while the other is innocent, without much question.
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