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Who Should Win the NL MVP

Carlos Beltran
25
24%
Ryan Howard
41
39%
Albert Pujols
28
27%
Alfonso Soriano
6
6%
other (please post player)
4
4%
 
Total votes : 104

Postby BritSox » Tue Sep 05, 2006 9:57 am

bigh0rt wrote:I truly don't understand all of the Howard votes...

I was having this debate a few days ago, so these stats are a tad old, but...

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               EBH HR  RBI   K   AVG/OBP/SLG    EQA  WARP RATE2 RAA2
Albert Pujols: 28  39  109  39  .317/.420/.655 .341  9.0   112  +14
Ryan Howard:   18  49  129  159 .301/.395/.640 .325  6.0   90   -12


And Howard is having the MVP season? Take out the time Pujols missed and he bridges the gap in RBI and makes the HRs a whole lot tighter too. :-°

For me, it's a one horse race, and Albert's leading the pack.


If you take out the time Pujols missed, yeah, he's probably ahead. But he did miss that time, and it was time spent not being valuable to his team. It may be a little basic as far as analysis goes, but 10HR and 20 RBI is a pretty noticeable difference.

And how on Earth is Howard showing negative for WARP there?
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Postby DK » Tue Sep 05, 2006 10:41 am

BritSox wrote:
bigh0rt wrote:I truly don't understand all of the Howard votes...

I was having this debate a few days ago, so these stats are a tad old, but...

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               EBH HR  RBI   K   AVG/OBP/SLG    EQA  WARP RATE2 RAA2
Albert Pujols: 28  39  109  39  .317/.420/.655 .341  9.0   112  +14
Ryan Howard:   18  49  129  159 .301/.395/.640 .325  6.0   90   -12


And Howard is having the MVP season? Take out the time Pujols missed and he bridges the gap in RBI and makes the HRs a whole lot tighter too. :-°

For me, it's a one horse race, and Albert's leading the pack.


If you take out the time Pujols missed, yeah, he's probably ahead. But he did miss that time, and it was time spent not being valuable to his team. It may be a little basic as far as analysis goes, but 10HR and 20 RBI is a pretty noticeable difference.

And how on Earth is Howard showing negative for WARP there?


He's not. His WARP is 6.0. His RAA2 is -12.
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Postby bigh0rt » Tue Sep 05, 2006 10:59 am

DK wrote:
RynMan wrote:
RGreener26 wrote:Look at VORP in the 2nd half, and VORP down the current stretch...and then hail King Howard.


If the season started after the All Star break, then I would.


Howard's WOI rating dominates Pujols's though, before and after the all-star break. His 6.2 CE Wins can't be ignored either.


Edge goes to Pujols in FKR, EQ, and KTG though. Don't bring that noise to me!!
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Postby teddy ballgame » Tue Sep 05, 2006 11:04 am

<pre> (AVG)RISP (SLG)RISP (AVG)RISP w/2 (SLG)RISP w/2
Pujols .388 .757 .400 .629
Howard .250 .520 .230 .473</pre>
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Postby Hobbes » Wed Sep 06, 2006 12:37 pm

Iconoclastic wrote:One guy in my roto league has Howard AND Pujols :-P

A guy in my keeper league has both Howard and Pujols. :,-(
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Postby great gretzky » Wed Sep 06, 2006 12:45 pm

i have howard and pujols as well in a keeper. PRetty devastating.
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Postby pokerplaya » Wed Sep 06, 2006 12:59 pm

I could have had both, but when I was offered Howard for Teix during the first week of the season, I said no way. :-P

Hindsight is 20/20 though, and it was right to decline the trade at the time. :-/
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Postby bigh0rt » Wed Sep 06, 2006 1:01 pm

Here's something else to chew on... not only is Howard not the NL MVP, but I'd give the Award to Beltran, Berkman, and M-Cab before him this season, too.

Go ahead, tell me how many HRs he's hit again. ;-7
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Postby Mookie4ever » Wed Sep 06, 2006 1:05 pm

My NL fantasy MVP is Soriano (it's sad how little respect he gets).

MLB NL MVP, using the criteria that they use it's probably Beltran.
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Postby pokerplaya » Wed Sep 06, 2006 1:32 pm

bigh0rt wrote:Here's something else to chew on... not only is Howard not the NL MVP, but I'd give the Award to Beltran, Berkman, and M-Cab before him this season, too.

Go ahead, tell me how many HRs he's hit again. ;-7


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