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Who do u think the best closer is this season

Papelbon
37
26%
Nathan
35
25%
Jenks
2
1%
Rivera
20
14%
M. Gonzo
8
6%
F. Rodrigues
10
7%
Hoffman
4
3%
Wagner
6
4%
Ryan
14
10%
Putz
5
4%
 
Total votes : 141

Postby davidmarver » Fri Sep 01, 2006 3:01 am

Just found a new statistic I wanted to point out.

Relief appearances of 2 innings or more:

Hoffman: 74
Rivera: 71

Longest relief appearance:

Hoffman: 4 innings
Rivera: 3 innings

There goes that misconception. :-°
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Postby ukrneal » Fri Sep 01, 2006 3:07 am

davidmarver wrote:Just found a new statistic I wanted to point out.

Relief appearances of 2 innings or more:

Hoffman: 74
Rivera: 71

Longest relief appearance:

Hoffman: 4 innings
Rivera: 3 innings

There goes that misconception. :-°


Does that include post-season?
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Postby davidmarver » Fri Sep 01, 2006 3:11 am

ukrneal wrote:
davidmarver wrote:Just found a new statistic I wanted to point out.

Relief appearances of 2 innings or more:

Hoffman: 74
Rivera: 71

Longest relief appearance:

Hoffman: 4 innings
Rivera: 3 innings

There goes that misconception. :-°


Does that include post-season?

Not sure. :-?

I just ran down their entire careers on http://www.retrosheet.org and tallied up the results. If the postseason wasn't on those, then it would probably put the total appearances in Rivera's favor, but I doubt he's thrown 4 innings in a relief appearance before.

Either way, I think it's effective in stating that Hoffman isn't a career one-inning pitcher, like he is now.
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Postby Mookie4ever » Fri Sep 01, 2006 8:03 am

davidmarver wrote:I don't know where you learned your mathematics - Texas public school? - but there's no manipulation there. BTW...I don't appreciate an administrator instigating confrontation by saying I manipulate numbers, when in every case in the past I've showed my sources (while having GTWMA state that my source was more accurate and while having Tavish also support my side on the Roberts argument). If you're around enough to post 44000 times you're around enough to READ MY POSTS.


davidmarver wrote:I completely agree. I'd have to say, judging by a 3.69 GPA through a double major, mathematics and physics, at a school with three physics nobel prizes in the past six years, that I've done both.


And the winner of the award for losing all credibility as arrogantly as possible is David Marver. Insulting an admin while bragging about his school and his grades. :-°

What a joke.

There are a lot of very smart people in the Cafe with a lot of impressive degrees and if they kept pulling out their credentials everytime somebody challenged them, this place would get very boring.

Becoming an admin does not mean that Madison is disqualified from participating in discussions on the boards. And just b/c he is from Texas doesn't mean that he's stupid (no offence Mad. bygones).

btw - if you go back and check, I think that is how Tavish started here, by bragging about his grades and insulting menyak stupid Austrian math. After he put us in our place like that we all learned to respect him.
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Postby Tavish » Fri Sep 01, 2006 8:15 am

So, when we adjust the 92% save percentage to batting average, by adding the difference between the save % record and 92% to Ty Cobb's batting average, we find that an 80% save percentage is the equivalent of a .27056 batting average.


The problem is you can't make a comparison in that way. That is the equivalant of saying a 1.000 OPS guy is 50% better than a .500 OPS guy when he is 100% better.

Hoffman's save percentage is 1.5% better than Rivera's. The equal comparison would be comparing .300 hitter to a .296 hitter (or .2955 to be more accurate).

.89544/.88197 = 1.015
.300*.985 = .2955
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Postby ScrappyDoo » Fri Sep 01, 2006 9:40 am

All this math is losing the point of this thread.

Which is- Jonathan Papelbon is the greatest closer in the history of baseball. If his career ended today he would be a first ballot hall of famer.

Look it up. Its science.
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Postby Mugrila » Fri Sep 01, 2006 9:43 am

ScrappyDoo wrote:All this math is losing the point of this thread.

Which is- Jonathan Papelbon is the greatest closer in the history of baseball. If his career ended today he would be a first ballot hall of famer.

Look it up. Its science.



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Postby StlSluggers » Fri Sep 01, 2006 10:30 am

How is it that Nathan is losing this???
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Postby Mugrila » Fri Sep 01, 2006 10:43 am

StlSluggers wrote:How is it that Nathan is losing this???


Because from a fantasy perspective Papelbon has better #s.
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Postby StlSluggers » Fri Sep 01, 2006 10:50 am

Mugrila wrote:
StlSluggers wrote:How is it that Nathan is losing this???


Because from a fantasy perspective Papelbon has better #s.

Ah. I didn't realize this was a fantasy-only discussion. In that case, I'd rather have Mo.
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