Laean wrote:i'm pretty sure when your strategy is to get groundballs instead of strikes, you're going to end up giving up more some hits, so no a lower BAA is very not relevant in evaluating whether or not you're a more effective starting pitcher than another pitcher who happens to be a strikeout pitcher.
I'm not sure what your definition of an effective starting pitcher is but giving up less hits would be a pretty big factor for me. Apparently not for you.
you keep trying to make things look like they are simpler than they are, but all it does it makes you look stubborn/slow because what i'm saying isn't that complicated either.
BAA does matter, but not so much when you're trying to judge between the performance of a groundball pitcher to a strikeout pitcher. not all pitcher are the same.
with a flyball pitcher (for example), you'd expect more HRs given up than with a ground pitcher wouldn't you? but just because a flyball pitcher has given up more HRs don't mean he's less effective pitcher than a pitcher with lower HRs given up. with groundball pitchers, you got to expect higher WHIP and BAA because they doesn't try to make the batter whiff as much as let them hit into a groundout. groundball pitchers also should get more double plays, thus negating the higher BAA.
my point is that you can't look at just BAA and say "well he's better than this guy." if you want to look at halladay's BAA, also got to look at halladay's GIDP and santana's HRs, etc.