Is Santana the clear cut Cy Young winner?

[tinfoilxtouch]

To me, if anyone other than Johan wins it, it's a sham.

Even if Halladay runs the table and puts up 22 wins or something like that with a sub 3 ERA near Santana's you'd consider it a sham?

Sure if the award was given today I'd think you'd give it to Santana. But there isn't as wide a margin between the two as many of you seem to be suggesting.

In all honestly, I think that Johan, Verlander, or Halladay winning would all be totally fair and logical scenerios. At this point, any of those three could finish the season with more wins and a better ERA than the other two. Of course Verlander doesn't have the name recognition to draw as many votes, but that doesn't mean he shouldn't be mentioned here.

[RynMan]

To me, if anyone other than Johan wins it, it's a sham.

As of right now I agree.....but we've seen how much stock baseball writers put into meaningless statistics.

Hootie: Thanks for doing all the work in this thread - thought I was going to have to bring out the old Quality of Batters Faced. Completely agree with everything you said.

[DirtyKash]

Santana has pulled away in the race! This guy is filthy!

[mweir145]

Santana has pulled away in the race! This guy is filthy!

Yeah, at the moment Santana has superior numbers and more wins than Halladay. He should win barring a collapse in these last weeks.

In defense of Doc, his last 3 starts have involved a CG loss, a start in which his outfielder batted a ball into the stands with his hands for a HR that lost the game, and a game where he left leading in the 8th only to have the bullpen blow one.

[dipset]

Santana has more strikeouts, which means its harder to hit. If its harder to hit, he is a better pitcher which = Cy Young!!

[davidmarver]

In defense of Doc, his last 3 starts have involved a CG loss, a start in which his outfielder batted a ball into the stands with his hands for a HR that lost the game, and a game where he left leading in the 8th only to have the bullpen blow one.

That is pretty tough, but, by the same token, Halladay has been pretty blessed this year. Halladay has had the 14th best run support in MLB, 6.20, getting the best run support of any Blue Jay. Santana has had the 57th best run support in MLB, 4.90, getting the worst run support of any Twin.

Johan has 20 quality starts, Halladay has 17. Both have 0 tough losses.

Batters have an OPS of .619 against Johan, 79% of their regular OPS of .777. Batters have an OPS of .653 against Halladay, or 86% of their regular OPS of .763.

Johan is the clear winner to me right now.

[The Big Stick]

To me, if anyone other than Johan wins it, it's a sham.

Those of you who know me, knows I love Doc but it's Santana.

[go_jays_go]

I think they just nailed the coffin shut.

I was a Halladay believer but clearly it's Johan "The Cy" Santana.

[mweir145]

In defense of Doc, his last 3 starts have involved a CG loss, a start in which his outfielder batted a ball into the stands with his hands for a HR that lost the game, and a game where he left leading in the 8th only to have the bullpen blow one.

That is pretty tough, but, by the same token, Halladay has been pretty blessed this year. Halladay has had the 14th best run support in MLB, 6.20, getting the best run support of any Blue Jay. Santana has had the 57th best run support in MLB, 4.90, getting the worst run support of any Twin.

Johan has 20 quality starts, Halladay has 17. Both have 0 tough losses.

Batters have an OPS of .619 against Johan, 79% of their regular OPS of .777. Batters have an OPS of .653 against Halladay, or 86% of their regular OPS of .763.

Johan is the clear winner to me right now.

Oh, I do know all this, and I would agree Johan has been been better.

It just doesn't feel good to watch your favourite pitcher have this kind of luck 3 starts in succession.

BTW, are you sure you have that tough losses stat right? He pitched a 2 ER CG a week and a half ago and lost 2-0.

[davidmarver]

BTW, are you sure you have that tough losses stat right? He pitched a 2 ER CG a week and a half ago and lost 2-0.

Wow...ESPN's statistics are wrong.

Their tough loss glossary reads:

Losses in games started that are quality starts.

Halladay did pitch a two run complete game loss...that should be a tough loss, but it's not listed on ESPN's stat page. I went though and counted Johan's stats, just to make sure, and he has two losses in quality starts. Just another reason why you shouldn't use ESPN's stat page. especially for runs created among left-fielders