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Postby DevilDriver » Mon Aug 21, 2006 9:59 am

ukrneal wrote:a simply mind-boggling streak here at the end of the year will do it for either.

Reminiscent of Johan Santana? ;-)

Santana will win it.
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Postby Kingctb27 » Mon Aug 21, 2006 2:19 pm

DevilDriver wrote:
ukrneal wrote:a simply mind-boggling streak here at the end of the year will do it for either.

Reminiscent of Johan Santana? ;-)

Santana will win it.

I was just about to say this.

Great Point ;-D
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Postby mweir145 » Mon Aug 21, 2006 2:35 pm

kingctb27 wrote:
DevilDriver wrote:
ukrneal wrote:a simply mind-boggling streak here at the end of the year will do it for either.

Reminiscent of Johan Santana? ;-)

Santana will win it.

I was just about to say this.

Great Point ;-D

It's not like Halladay didn't go on a big end of year streak during his Cy year. He threw 4 CG in a row in September of that year (one of which was 10 innings).
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Postby Yoda » Tue Aug 22, 2006 5:23 pm

You'd have to consider Verlander as well if he keeps it up.

On paper, Santana clearly is the best pitcher. However, we've seen plenty of guys get the award mainly due to Ws: Colon, Zito, etc.
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Postby mcqfesijiba » Tue Aug 22, 2006 6:51 pm

The homer in me says give Verlander a look. The realist in me is ready to give it to Santana, no offense to Halladay. September still has to be played though.
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Postby KronJon » Wed Aug 23, 2006 1:52 pm

Its Santana, and it's painfully obvious. There are far too many Halladay homers.
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Postby TB13 » Wed Aug 23, 2006 2:35 pm

KronJon wrote:Its Santana, and it's painfully obvious. There are far too many Halladay homers.

Painfully obvious? I do not consider myself a Halladay homer, but you would be surprised at just how close these two are. Statisticall speaking, there is not much difference between the two, aside from the K's. Doc has an ERA of 3.18 & a WHIP of 1.10. Santana has 3.03 & 1.03, respectively. Those are the biggest indicators for a pitcher. They are basically similar. In the same amount if innings, Santana has walked 13 more batters. The single biggest disparity is Santana's 90 (more or less) extra K's.

So, yes, Santana probably will get the Cy Young, but it is not quite so "painfully" obvious. They are basically equally as effective.
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Postby bigh0rt » Wed Aug 23, 2006 3:52 pm

To me, if anyone other than Johan wins it, it's a sham.
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Postby noseeum » Wed Aug 23, 2006 4:07 pm

It's close enough that the last weeks will decide. Santana seems to be rounding into peak form right now, so my guess is he's about to run away with it.

It's not a no brainer right now, but I have a feeling we'll say no brainer when the season is over.

Nothing against Halladay, and that's all based on my hunch that Santana is going to have a monster finish to the season.
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Postby mweir145 » Wed Aug 23, 2006 4:46 pm

bigh0rt wrote:To me, if anyone other than Johan wins it, it's a sham.

Even if Halladay runs the table and puts up 22 wins or something like that with a sub 3 ERA near Santana's you'd consider it a sham? :-?

Sure if the award was given today I'd think you'd give it to Santana. But there isn't as wide a margin between the two as many of you seem to be suggesting.
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