Is there still hope for these and others?

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Hayden Penn & Gavin Floyd & Dustin McGowan & Chad Orvella
Once considered pretty good prospects.....

Does anyone think these guys still have the potential to become a good SPs & RP?

What r we looking at from them?

Floyds been solid in the minors. ERA just over 4 & plenty of Ks
Ditto for Orville who 4-0 with an era less then 2

I mean sometimes it takes some pitchers a little longer. Rem too McGowen was out of action for over a yr from TJohn surgery.

Id like to hear some comments on these(Please do do first if u have info) and others who may have stepped back a bit from early projections but still might have hope.

A couple of other examples may be BLeague(who was terrible when first brought up & a few times after that) who has a 100mph fastball & seems to be settling in of late or on the other side FPie(learn to steal man!) who earlier was highly ranked but has stumbled a tad in AAA.