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H2H Keeper Leagues-How do you determine draft order!?

Postby astav28 » Thu Aug 10, 2006 3:01 pm

This question is for all those in Yahoo H2H keeper leagues.

How do you guys determine your draft order for the next season?

Last year we did reverse standings because it was the first year of the league and we decided it would be a keeper league near the end of the season. (Reverse Playoff standings) so the league champion got last pick, the person who lost the consolation round of the playoffs (10th place) got first pick.

This year I thought it might be better to do this:

7th, 8th, 9th, 10th, 6th, 5th, 4th, 3rd, 2nd, 1st (based on playoff finishes)

That way it ensures that everyone has to keep playing full out. The best of the non-playoff teams is rewarded with the number one pick, while the worst of the playoff teams gets that 5th pick. (all the playoff teams will be trying throughout obviously, as hoping to get first place or atleast the top 3 for pride.)

However, my only issue with this is that theoretically the 10th place tam should be the worst team and they will only end up with a 4th overall pick, making it that much harder to improve.

What do you guys think, how do you do it?
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Postby davidmarver » Thu Aug 10, 2006 3:06 pm

The best way to do it is to allow first place the first selection of picks. If the winner of the league wants pick #1 (and subsequently 20) he gets that. If the person who came in second wants pick #6 (and subsequently 15) he gets that. You follow that model for the rest of the managers until all pick slots are filled. This way keeps everything competitive and there's no advantage in losing towards the end.
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Postby Richie Rich » Thu Aug 10, 2006 3:07 pm

yahoo has a keeper league??? i was unaware of this...details please
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Postby astav28 » Thu Aug 10, 2006 3:38 pm

no yahoo does not have a "keeper league" feature. Im just saying we do our keeper league through Yahoo, I am the commisioner and do all the work myself. We just use yahoo.
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Postby Richie Rich » Fri Aug 11, 2006 11:12 am

astav28 wrote:no yahoo does not have a "keeper league" feature. Im just saying we do our keeper league through Yahoo, I am the commisioner and do all the work myself. We just use yahoo.



ohhh ok i understand...sry...thats still a good idea, but i see it's prolly alotta work which i would be willing to do...so basically you set it as an offline draft and you input results, etc etc etc and u just use regular free yahoo fantasy huh? kinda cool...
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Postby noseeum » Fri Aug 11, 2006 11:29 am

astav28 wrote:no yahoo does not have a "keeper league" feature. Im just saying we do our keeper league through Yahoo, I am the commisioner and do all the work myself. We just use yahoo.


Switch to CBS. Nice keeper features.

Do you still do a full snake draft?

I've seen somewhere else where in a keeper league, they gave the first pick to the owner who improved his place in the standings the most from the all star break on. 1st and 2nd place at the end of the season were ineligible.

I thought this sounded kind of cool.

In our league, we do full snake, order last place through first. It evens out through our keeper pricing. A keeper costs you a draft pick two higher rounds than that player was drafted the year before. If a player was drafted in round 14 in '06, it would cost a round 12 to keep him in '07. This makes each round less important, as you can choose which rounds to have available, based on your keepers. If you have a guy worth losing your round 1 pick for, you don't mind not picking that round.
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Postby Amazinz » Fri Aug 11, 2006 12:45 pm

I don't think assigning 1st pick to 1st place in a keeper league is a good idea since the draft is a means to gain parity. The cream will still rise to the top without that added advantage.

I use two different methods for two different leagues, with the second method just being an extension of the first. In league #1 it is highly competitive and it's all about pride so people do not throw games in order to gain a higher draft slot. In this league we assign draft picks in reverse order of the standings for all non-playoff teams. The remaining picks are assigned to the playoff teams based on finish with season record as the tie-breaker. Champion receives pick 12, the two teams ousted in the 1st round get picks 7 and 8 based on record.

In the second league we have had some problems with the bottom 6 so we eventually implemented a NBA-style lottery for all non-playoff teams. Team 7 & 8 get 1 ticket, 9 & 10 get 2 tickets, 11 & 12 get 3 tickets. Then we just randomize the top order of the draft by picking tickets from a hat.

Another format I have played with that worked well was similar to option #1 except that slot assignment for playoff teams were reversed. Champion got pick #7 and so forth. Due to the luck factor of H2H there is usually little difference between the champ and the teams knocked out in the first round.

One last thing, in the dynasty league (or deep keeper) where you have a large number of reserved players we use a straight draft. Pick #1 picks first in each round of the draft.
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Postby Lofunzo » Sat Aug 12, 2006 2:41 pm

I always just use inverse order of standings. Just like people can tank during the regular season, they can also do so in a meaningless playoff series. It's simple and the easiest way to promote parity in your league.
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Postby looptid » Sat Aug 12, 2006 4:18 pm

Inverse order of standings, a straight draft for all keeper rounds (to aid any of the lesser teams that might not have enough talent to warrant keeping the maximum number of players allowed), and a snake draft for the remaining rounds still begining in inverse order of the previous season's standings.
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Postby tinfoilxtouch » Sat Aug 12, 2006 6:57 pm

We actually do it differently from most leagues. The previous year's winner gets to pick his draft spot, then the second place gets to pick, ect.

Basically, the first few guys usually pick 1-2-3 spots. The next few guys will typically pick the 12th, 11th, and 10th draft spots. It's a nice reward for doing well the previous year. It also tends to keep things a little more balanced, and keeps people from having fire sales or sandbagging toward the end of a season just for a better draft position.
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