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Postby ARCH » Thu Aug 10, 2006 10:31 pm

:-? I never realised the MVP was a fielding award.
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Postby The Miner Part 2 » Thu Aug 10, 2006 10:33 pm

ARCH wrote::-? I never realised the MVP was a fielding award.


most valuable player.

not

most valuable half player.
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Postby Matthias » Thu Aug 10, 2006 10:39 pm

The Miner Part 2 wrote:
ARCH wrote::-? I never realised the MVP was a fielding award.


most valuable player.

not

most valuable half player.


This has been discussed ad nauseum.

But basically, Manny is half a player. This season, Alex Rodriguez is half a player. There's a number of fielders who are terrible in the field and are half a good player and half a bad player. But it's never the defensive side that gets focused on.
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Postby Super Manny » Fri Aug 11, 2006 12:18 am

Matthias wrote:This has been discussed ad nauseum.

But basically, Manny is half a player. This season, Alex Rodriguez is half a player. There's a number of fielders who are terrible in the field and are half a good player and half a bad player. But it's never the defensive side that gets focused on.

Manny's improved play in the field has also been discussed ad nauseum. :-t
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Postby Matthias » Fri Aug 11, 2006 12:41 am

Super Manny wrote:
Matthias wrote:This has been discussed ad nauseum.

But basically, Manny is half a player. This season, Alex Rodriguez is half a player. There's a number of fielders who are terrible in the field and are half a good player and half a bad player. But it's never the defensive side that gets focused on.

Manny's improved play in the field has also been discussed ad nauseum. :-t


C'mon. He's made bad plays the last two nights.

And I don't know where everyone goes for their defensive ratings, but this is what I was able to pull up off of google.
http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/fil ... h_june_22/

Which puts Manny at the bottom of left fielders defesively as of late June (and Jeter 3rd from the bottom in SSs, incidentally).
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Postby The Miner Part 2 » Fri Aug 11, 2006 12:44 am

Super Manny wrote:
Matthias wrote:This has been discussed ad nauseum.

But basically, Manny is half a player. This season, Alex Rodriguez is half a player. There's a number of fielders who are terrible in the field and are half a good player and half a bad player. But it's never the defensive side that gets focused on.

Manny's improved play in the field has also been discussed ad nauseum. :-t


ive heard the same thing over and over.
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Postby Super Manny » Fri Aug 11, 2006 1:08 am

The Miner Part 2 wrote:
Super Manny wrote:
Matthias wrote:This has been discussed ad nauseum.

But basically, Manny is half a player. This season, Alex Rodriguez is half a player. There's a number of fielders who are terrible in the field and are half a good player and half a bad player. But it's never the defensive side that gets focused on.

Manny's improved play in the field has also been discussed ad nauseum. :-t


ive heard the same thing over and over.

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To a disgusting or ridiculous degree; to the point of nausea.
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Postby The Miner Part 2 » Fri Aug 11, 2006 1:17 am

Super Manny wrote:
The Miner Part 2 wrote:
Super Manny wrote:
Matthias wrote:This has been discussed ad nauseum.

But basically, Manny is half a player. This season, Alex Rodriguez is half a player. There's a number of fielders who are terrible in the field and are half a good player and half a bad player. But it's never the defensive side that gets focused on.

Manny's improved play in the field has also been discussed ad nauseum. :-t


ive heard the same thing over and over.

TheFreeDictionary.com wrote:ad nau·se·am (ad nô'ze-um)
adv.

To a disgusting or ridiculous degree; to the point of nausea.


yea i was agreeing with you.
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Postby BronXBombers51 » Fri Aug 11, 2006 6:37 am

ARCH wrote:I don't think HR's and / or RBI's are misleading stats, they are just as important as RC27 or any other production value stat but they do influence the writers more than any of the others. That's always been the case and probably always will be. For you to say Ortiz doesn't deserve to win the AL MVP as his RC27 is not as high as several others to me is just as shortsighted as the writers who look at just HR's and RBI's.


Yes, RBIs and HRs are misleading stats.

You don't like just RC/27? How about OPS, RC, VORP, WS, etc.? Papi leads in none of these statistics. Several people are responsible for more runs created than Ortiz. Even more people have better RC/27, which means they create more runs per game than Ortiz. He doesn't even lead in a fairly common stat like OPS.

His statline looks good because the only stats anyone ever looks at are HR and RBI, both stats that mean little in determining a player's true value.
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Postby Havok1517 » Fri Aug 11, 2006 7:05 am

Red Sox / Yankee debate... sad :-/
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