Man Ram for MVP?

[ARCH]

I never realised the MVP was a fielding award.

[The Miner Part 2]

:-? I never realised the MVP was a fielding award.

most valuable player.

not

most valuable half player.

[Matthias]

:-? I never realised the MVP was a fielding award.

most valuable player.

not

most valuable half player.

This has been discussed ad nauseum.

But basically, Manny is half a player. This season, Alex Rodriguez is half a player. There's a number of fielders who are terrible in the field and are half a good player and half a bad player. But it's never the defensive side that gets focused on.

[Super Manny]

This has been discussed ad nauseum.

But basically, Manny is half a player. This season, Alex Rodriguez is half a player. There's a number of fielders who are terrible in the field and are half a good player and half a bad player. But it's never the defensive side that gets focused on.

Manny's improved play in the field has also been discussed ad nauseum.

[Matthias]

This has been discussed ad nauseum.

But basically, Manny is half a player. This season, Alex Rodriguez is half a player. There's a number of fielders who are terrible in the field and are half a good player and half a bad player. But it's never the defensive side that gets focused on.

Manny's improved play in the field has also been discussed ad nauseum.

C'mon. He's made bad plays the last two nights.

And I don't know where everyone goes for their defensive ratings, but this is what I was able to pull up off of google.
http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/fil ... h_june_22/

Which puts Manny at the bottom of left fielders defesively as of late June (and Jeter 3rd from the bottom in SSs, incidentally).

[The Miner Part 2]

This has been discussed ad nauseum.

But basically, Manny is half a player. This season, Alex Rodriguez is half a player. There's a number of fielders who are terrible in the field and are half a good player and half a bad player. But it's never the defensive side that gets focused on.

Manny's improved play in the field has also been discussed ad nauseum.

ive heard the same thing over and over.

[Super Manny]

This has been discussed ad nauseum.

But basically, Manny is half a player. This season, Alex Rodriguez is half a player. There's a number of fielders who are terrible in the field and are half a good player and half a bad player. But it's never the defensive side that gets focused on.

Manny's improved play in the field has also been discussed ad nauseum.

ive heard the same thing over and over.

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To a disgusting or ridiculous degree; to the point of nausea.

[The Miner Part 2]

This has been discussed ad nauseum.

But basically, Manny is half a player. This season, Alex Rodriguez is half a player. There's a number of fielders who are terrible in the field and are half a good player and half a bad player. But it's never the defensive side that gets focused on.

Manny's improved play in the field has also been discussed ad nauseum.

ive heard the same thing over and over.

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To a disgusting or ridiculous degree; to the point of nausea.

yea i was agreeing with you.

[BronXBombers51]

I don't think HR's and / or RBI's are misleading stats, they are just as important as RC27 or any other production value stat but they do influence the writers more than any of the others. That's always been the case and probably always will be. For you to say Ortiz doesn't deserve to win the AL MVP as his RC27 is not as high as several others to me is just as shortsighted as the writers who look at just HR's and RBI's.

Yes, RBIs and HRs are misleading stats.

You don't like just RC/27? How about OPS, RC, VORP, WS, etc.? Papi leads in none of these statistics. Several people are responsible for more runs created than Ortiz. Even more people have better RC/27, which means they create more runs per game than Ortiz. He doesn't even lead in a fairly common stat like OPS.

His statline looks good because the only stats anyone ever looks at are HR and RBI, both stats that mean little in determining a player's true value.

[Havok1517]

Red Sox / Yankee debate... sad