Big Pimpin wrote:BronXBombers51 wrote:Wrong.
Ortiz has only created 2 more runs this year than Jeter. However, Jeter has had about 20 less plate appearances. Jeter creates more runs per game than Ortiz...8.9 runs for Jeter....8.3 runs for Ortiz. Jeter is tied for the league lead in win shares, with Mauer and Manny, at 22. Ortiz has 19. He's also tied for win shares above bench player (WSAB) with Mauer, Manny and Thome, at 14. Jeter also ranks 6th in the MLB in VORP, at 55.9. Ortiz ranks 9th in the MLB, at 52.8. Ortiz has Jeter in OPS by a significant margin.
Now, read all of that and take into consideration that Jeter is a shortstop. Putting up comparable numbers to slugging 1st basemen and outfielders as a #2 hitting shortstop is remarkable.
I'm not saying he's the MVP, but he's neck and neck with Ortiz, and is having a much better season than you're giving him credit for.
Out of curiousity, where did those numbers come from? Looking at ESPN's sabermetric stats, Jeter has created 15 less runs than Ortiz, and his RC/27 is 0.7 less than Papi's. I'm not arguing with you, just curious.
I get my numbers from the Hardball Times. The VORP numbers came from BaseballProspectus.com.
I'm not sure about the ESPN numbers. I'm on my way out the door right now, but I plan to look at the numbers later on and see what's up.