I think that is true with a lot of schools. UC Irvine is very highly touted as a top 10 public university, but I can honestly say I know total idiots who got into the university as a state resident out of high school.
Irvine is a very hard school to get into in my opinion. Also a great school. I am not in state so I don't know how heavily that matters but strictly numbers you need at least 3.7 to even be considered.
Sean Tracey has my apologies, we all know Ozzie Guillen is an idiot. I'm rooting for you!
Zito is God wrote:Irvine is a very hard school to get into in my opinion. Also a great school. I am not in state so I don't know how heavily that matters but strictly numbers you need at least 3.7 to even be considered.
Not true. My GF got in there with her grades -- opted for Redlands though -- and my neighbor/good friend goes there...he had like a 3.65 but with unimpressive SATs and only one AP course. They aren't as selective as other UC schools like Berkeley, UCLA, UCSD, or UCSB.
You'll get accepted if you are out of state just as fine as you will in state, but that's because the school wants you to pay the sky high tuition; for that reason I don't recommend a UC school. Too bad, since Zito was a Gaucho here at UCSB for awhile.
Piece of advice... picking a school based on how it looks on a resume isn't a good idea. Truth is, unless it's Ivy League it really doesn't matter. Pick the school you'll enjoy the most and build connections through it.
In fact, picking a school based on the lowest cost to you (outside of community college) is really the best way to go.
The name of the school really only matters if you're going to get your masters or PhD.
I'm with David Marver on this one. I believe it's a bit easier to get into universities as a transfer (although it's possible all of your units may not transfer) than it is as an incoming freshman.
Here at UCSB, the freshman influx is huge, but the transfer is usually much smaller. Heck, most students spend time at SB City College before transferring to UCSB.
So don't sell yourself short, and research the universities to work for you and which will get you the best opportunity to get into the job market, as well as having the sort of experience you'd like to have in college.
I would recommend going away from home if you can, nothing like being on your own to really grow into adulthood (for most of us).
Having said that, I do have a buddy who went to
Santa Clara for Law (he's still trying to pass his bar exam), so if you want to be put in touch with him, send me a PM.
Okay, read your original post a little closer. Here's what you want to do. Ask around and find out which school is EASIEST. Pre-law is ALL about GPA, determination, and connections. Go somewhere where you can 4.0. A lot of people get into decent law schools from apparently less-than-stellar undergraduate work. Like preMED you need to do one thing and one thing only - ACE EVERY CLASS YOU CAN.
Jumping ahead a bit (as I don't have anything to really add to the transfer question) but getting into law school is about a variety of things, GPA, reccomendations, but far and away the most important think is the LSATS. So while your undergraduate work and where you go to school and how you do is important, if you somehow manage to score a 170 on the LSAT, you'll pretty much have your pick of any law school.
My advice on undergrad...make a list of what is most important to you...repuation, location, cost, etc. and then decide from that what school fits you best. Best of luck.
Don't see me getting in there. Nice school though.
Well, you're also considering USD and Santa Clara. They're about on par with LMU and it's not extremely hard to get into. I knew a couple of folks back in college who got in with a 1060 SAT, even though this was about six years ago.
Well, I will not be submitting my SAT or ACT because of the amount of credits I have. However it is not the GPA that worries me, it is the course curriculm since I do not have a math and will not have Chem complete by the time I apply (will be enrolled however).
Not sure about the transfer requirements because I went to LMU for four years, with one year abroad, but I think all you need is Business Math I and or II or Calculus I.
Yes, UCI isn't as hard to be admitted into. I got in with a 3.4 GPA and had only taken 3 AP courses. When I applied six years ago, I knew that UCLA, Berkeley, and UCSD were extremely selective and you had to be gangbusters all around practically to be accepted. From what I heard back then, UCSB was surprisingly selective too. I believe UC will be just as expensive for you as LMU will be, considering that you're an "out-of-stater".
As for law school, my ex had gotten into Southwestern Law and her undergraduate work was just decent.