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Postby jake_harv88 » Wed Aug 09, 2006 1:02 am

with hirsh getting called up this week as well. Who do you guys think will have a bigger impact? Hirsh or Garza? From what i can see both traveled through the minors much faster than usual and could both struggle at times. I'm thinkin that Garza has much more publicity than Hirsh and that might make him a popular choice. I have the 6th waiver spot and might end up taking Hirsh so that i dont miss out on both...what are peoples thoughts?
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Postby J35J » Wed Aug 09, 2006 12:01 pm

Gepfar wrote:
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BobbyRoberto wrote:How good is he? Who is he on par with, as far as young guys who have pitched in the bigs this year?

Where does he fall in this group of young pitchers?

Francisco Liriano
Justin Verlander
Cole Hamels
Jon Lester
Jeremy Sowers
Matt Cain
Zach Miner
Chuck James
Chad Billingsley
Anthony Reyes


The tiers aren't really ranked in any particular order, but is a good idea of where I have them with their piers.

**Not really a right now ranking more of a "what will they be in a year or two" type of ranking

Liriano
Verlander

Cain
Billingsley
Hamels

Lester
Reyes
Garza

Sowers
James
Miner



Jason


Why no Jered Weaver? Just curious.



no love for Maine???



If I add in Weaver, Hirsh and Maine it would look like this.....

Liriano
Verlander

Cain
Billingsley
Hamels
Weaver

Lester
Reyes
Garza
Hirsh

Sowers
Maine
James
Miner
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Postby Havok1517 » Wed Aug 09, 2006 12:55 pm

I think Garza and Cain are on the same level. He sure projects better than Hamels considering Cole's injury risk throughout his career.
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Postby kimchi_chigae » Wed Aug 09, 2006 10:19 pm

J35J wrote:
BobbyRoberto wrote:How good is he? Who is he on par with, as far as young guys who have pitched in the bigs this year?

Where does he fall in this group of young pitchers?

Francisco Liriano
Justin Verlander
Cole Hamels
Jon Lester
Jeremy Sowers
Matt Cain
Zach Miner
Chuck James
Chad Billingsley
Anthony Reyes


The tiers aren't really ranked in any particular order, but is a good idea of where I have them with their piers.

**Not really a right now ranking more of a "what will they be in a year or two" type of ranking

Liriano
Verlander

Cain
Billingsley
Hamels

Lester
Reyes
Garza

Sowers
James
Miner



Jason



I agree. Jason should be at the bottom of the list.

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Postby looptid » Thu Aug 10, 2006 11:24 am

In case anyone is interested here are Garza's minor league numbers from this season as he shot from Single-A to the Majors:

High-A
44.1 IP, 1.42 ERA, 0.86 WHIP, 10.78 K/9, 2.23 BB/9, 0.61 HR/9

Double-A
57.1 IP, 2.51 ERA, 0.94 WHIP, 10.67 K/9, 2.20 BB/9, 0.31 HR/9

Triple-A
34.0 IP, 1.85 ERA, 0.79 WHIP, 8.74 K/9, 1.85 BB/9, 0.26 HR/9

The sample sizes could be a bit larger and offhand I don't know the offensive environments of the different leagues and home parks, but that Garza has lowered his walk and homerun rates while moving up levels is very encouraging. The declining strike out rates probably have to do with hitters at each progressive level being better able to handle his fastball.

As a Twins fan, if Liriano isn't back in two weeks, Garza is probably the key to our run at the postseason.
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Postby avsfan4ever33 » Thu Aug 10, 2006 11:51 am

I put my bid on him in my auction league!
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Postby brandnew » Thu Aug 10, 2006 1:29 pm

looptid wrote:In case anyone is interested here are Garza's minor league numbers from this season as he shot from Single-A to the Majors:

High-A
44.1 IP, 1.42 ERA, 0.86 WHIP, 10.78 K/9, 2.23 BB/9, 0.61 HR/9

Double-A
57.1 IP, 2.51 ERA, 0.94 WHIP, 10.67 K/9, 2.20 BB/9, 0.31 HR/9

Triple-A
34.0 IP, 1.85 ERA, 0.79 WHIP, 8.74 K/9, 1.85 BB/9, 0.26 HR/9

The sample sizes could be a bit larger and offhand I don't know the offensive environments of the different leagues and home parks, but that Garza has lowered his walk and homerun rates while moving up levels is very encouraging. The declining strike out rates probably have to do with hitters at each progressive level being better able to handle his fastball.

As a Twins fan, if Liriano isn't back in two weeks, Garza is probably the key to our run at the postseason.


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Postby looptid » Thu Aug 10, 2006 2:52 pm

brandnew wrote:I think it's time for a new sig.

I haven't been able to google an image of the Gagne-Knoblauch decoy play, but I'm looking for a replacement.
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Postby drewaely » Thu Aug 10, 2006 6:34 pm

I'm worried about Garza and expectations. His triple-a numbers have been good but not any better than Boof Bonser or Scott Baker. I am not totally sure that he'll be able to blow his fastball by guys in the big leagues. While his velocity is crazy and his control is remarkable he needs to throw his offspeed pitches in order to be successful. The scouting report on him is that he DOES have a very good curve and changeup. He can throw any pitch at any time but prefers his fastball. A recent game in AAA he threw 127 innings and was still throwing in the mid to upper 90's by the end of the game. During that game he only thre TWO off speed pitches.

He may be up for a rude awakening if he doesn't change his approach.
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Postby acsguitar » Thu Aug 10, 2006 6:39 pm

Havok1517 wrote:I think Garza and Cain are on the same level. He sure projects better than Hamels considering Cole's injury risk throughout his career.


Come Hamels just altered your future with his mind because of that comment.
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