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Postby jbones733 » Tue Aug 08, 2006 10:14 pm

hard to tell for me, cause he just shot up so quickly, i mean no one knew of him before a few months ago, twinkies do have a good history of talent, but this seems rushed, im a lil skeptical on how good he will be
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Postby Havok1517 » Tue Aug 08, 2006 10:22 pm

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BobbyRoberto wrote:How good is he? Who is he on par with, as far as young guys who have pitched in the bigs this year?

Where does he fall in this group of young pitchers?

Francisco Liriano
Justin Verlander
Cole Hamels
Jon Lester
Jeremy Sowers
Matt Cain
Zach Miner
Chuck James
Chad Billingsley
Anthony Reyes


The tiers aren't really ranked in any particular order, but is a good idea of where I have them with their piers.

**Not really a right now ranking more of a "what will they be in a year or two" type of ranking

Liriano
Verlander

Cain
Billingsley
Hamels

Lester
Reyes
Garza

Sowers
James
Miner


While Garza I believe has a less high ceiling compared to Liriano, Verlander, Billingsley, Lester, & Hamels. I think he'll produce favorably to Billingsley & Cain in terms of actual production. Garza seems safer and more polished than many.
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Postby Zito is God » Tue Aug 08, 2006 10:45 pm

I believe Sowers needs to be moved into the 3rd tier, but everything else seems good. I would look at Garza the same way everyone looked at Reyes.
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Postby klvrdude » Tue Aug 08, 2006 10:47 pm

Havok1517 wrote:Garza seems safer and more polished than many.


I'm interested in why you think that? I ask b/c he's only 22 and started this year in A ball.
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Postby Sid Bream's Slide » Tue Aug 08, 2006 11:12 pm

J35J wrote:
BobbyRoberto wrote:How good is he? Who is he on par with, as far as young guys who have pitched in the bigs this year?

Where does he fall in this group of young pitchers?

Francisco Liriano
Justin Verlander
Cole Hamels
Jon Lester
Jeremy Sowers
Matt Cain
Zach Miner
Chuck James
Chad Billingsley
Anthony Reyes


The tiers aren't really ranked in any particular order, but is a good idea of where I have them with their piers.

**Not really a right now ranking more of a "what will they be in a year or two" type of ranking

Liriano
Verlander

Cain
Billingsley
Hamels

Lester
Reyes
Garza

Sowers
James
Miner



Jason


Why no Jered Weaver? Just curious.
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Postby BobbyRoberto » Tue Aug 08, 2006 11:15 pm

Yeah, when I originally threw out names of good, young pitching prospects I inadvertently left off Jered Weaver. He should be there. In my opinion, he should be up with Liriano and Verlander, or maybe just below.
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Postby Old_Style » Tue Aug 08, 2006 11:43 pm

Another Blown Save wrote:Now let's see how many threads we will have about yahoo not adding Garza ;-7


'm waiting for the "matt garza bandwagon" thread with as much pub he has been getting from the cafe this past month
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Postby Philly Pride » Tue Aug 08, 2006 11:57 pm

Darn, if only he was on Yahoo now, I could have added him...I was considering this thinking that he was going to replace Liriano in the rotation.

I have 9th waiver, probably not a good shot at getting him :-t
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Postby Gepfar » Wed Aug 09, 2006 12:02 am

Sid Bream's Slide wrote:
J35J wrote:
BobbyRoberto wrote:How good is he? Who is he on par with, as far as young guys who have pitched in the bigs this year?

Where does he fall in this group of young pitchers?

Francisco Liriano
Justin Verlander
Cole Hamels
Jon Lester
Jeremy Sowers
Matt Cain
Zach Miner
Chuck James
Chad Billingsley
Anthony Reyes


The tiers aren't really ranked in any particular order, but is a good idea of where I have them with their piers.

**Not really a right now ranking more of a "what will they be in a year or two" type of ranking

Liriano
Verlander

Cain
Billingsley
Hamels

Lester
Reyes
Garza

Sowers
James
Miner



Jason


Why no Jered Weaver? Just curious.



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Postby Havok1517 » Wed Aug 09, 2006 12:15 am

klvrdude wrote:
Havok1517 wrote:Garza seems safer and more polished than many.


I'm interested in why you think that? I ask b/c he's only 22 and started this year in A ball.


Well, he's not wild and seems pretty poised whenever he pitches. One thing that worries me his breaking stuff, he doesn't use it often enough, and relies on his 97 mph fastball too overpower hitters. That might not work well in the majors all the time. One thing that is great about Garza is that he doesn't tire as much as many pitchers do. He's been known to pitch deep in the game with increasing velocity. Sorta reminds me of Josh Beckett in that regard.
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