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Postby StudentOfTheGame » Thu Aug 10, 2006 8:13 pm

Lofunzo wrote:
StudentOfTheGame wrote:
mcqfesijiba wrote:
WhiteHot wrote:On the operating table getting Tommy John surgeys...that's where I see him.
Thanks for the fabulous and well thought out input. Pure genius. Evidence and facts to support statements like this are vastly overrated. ;-7


Well the guy does throw 100 mph...Let's see, other players who throw as hard:

Harden
Wood
Prior
Burnett

Hmmmm...What do these guys have in common? Not all of them had Tommy John's surgery, but the two guys who haven't(Harden and Prior) have barely played the last two seasons.

Don't be a homer and think that Zumaya is immune to injury.


So, throwing fastballs is the most common cause of needing TJ surgery??


No....Throwing hard.
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Postby StudentOfTheGame » Thu Aug 10, 2006 8:19 pm

I'm not just talking about TJ's surgery either...Power pitchers tend to stay on the disabled list...If you follow baseball at all, you know this...There are so many guys you could add to that list of 4 players that I posted: Sheets, Liriano, Kazmir, Beckett, Verlander.............
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Postby chadlincoln » Thu Aug 10, 2006 8:39 pm

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raiders_umpire wrote:Setup in 07, closer in 08.


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Postby mikekim2121 » Thu Aug 10, 2006 8:49 pm

I'm not sure if stereotyping power pitchers as more injury prone is accurate. Im sure there are plenty of examples that disprove me but two of the greatest power pitchers in recent years lasted more than a quarter of a century (Nolan and Clemens). Obviously these two are anomalies but still...

Prior doesn't throw that hard and a lot of people think his sliders hurt his arm more than any fastball. Wood's curveball might also be more of a reason than any of his power pitches.
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Postby winterball22 » Thu Aug 10, 2006 8:51 pm

There are too many factors, that are involved to blame pitchers injuries on fastballs. Mechanics, IP, etc..I've personally found a slider harder on my arm to throw then a fastball, and it's problably why pitchers like Felix had to stop throwing the slider for so long.
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Postby mrkrab2003 » Thu Aug 10, 2006 9:27 pm

StudentOfTheGame wrote:
mcqfesijiba wrote:
WhiteHot wrote:On the operating table getting Tommy John surgeys...that's where I see him.
Thanks for the fabulous and well thought out input. Pure genius. Evidence and facts to support statements like this are vastly overrated. ;-7


Well the guy does throw 100 mph...Let's see, other players who throw as hard:

Harden
Wood
Prior
Burnett

Hmmmm...What do these guys have in common? Not all of them had Tommy John's surgery, but the two guys who haven't(Harden and Prior) have barely played the last two seasons.

Don't be a homer and think that Zumaya is immune to injury.



Harden SP
Wood SP
Prior SP
BurnettSP
Zumaya RP

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Postby StudentOfTheGame » Thu Aug 10, 2006 9:41 pm

I'm just saying, it's not ridiculous to think that this guy may end up going under the knife at some point in his career....There is a reason you don't see many guys throwing that hard in the MLB....It is very unnatural to put that much pressure on your arm.
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Postby winterball22 » Thu Aug 10, 2006 9:52 pm

I can't argue with Zumaya, possibly getting hurt, so many pitchers do, but it's not do to throwing 100mph.
If throwing hard caused injuries, half the major leaguers would be hurt. The biggest reasons for injuries to pitchers is mechanics and overuse. Here's a link, where they don't just throw out names, but explain what causes pitching injuries.

http://www.baseball-articles.com/pitchingpatterns.html
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Postby CheeseBeger » Thu Aug 10, 2006 10:38 pm

Could you imagine if he had to go through TJ surgery and came back with a stronger arm? Woohoo 105 MPH!
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Postby Lofunzo » Thu Aug 10, 2006 11:26 pm

StudentOfTheGame wrote:
Lofunzo wrote:
StudentOfTheGame wrote:
mcqfesijiba wrote:
WhiteHot wrote:On the operating table getting Tommy John surgeys...that's where I see him.
Thanks for the fabulous and well thought out input. Pure genius. Evidence and facts to support statements like this are vastly overrated. ;-7


Well the guy does throw 100 mph...Let's see, other players who throw as hard:

Harden
Wood
Prior
Burnett

Hmmmm...What do these guys have in common? Not all of them had Tommy John's surgery, but the two guys who haven't(Harden and Prior) have barely played the last two seasons.

Don't be a homer and think that Zumaya is immune to injury.


So, throwing fastballs is the most common cause of needing TJ surgery??


No....Throwing hard.


I'm just trying to start up a discussion here and I agree that power pitchers usually get injured more or stay injured longer but I disagree with the rest. Otherwise, why do they dissuade young kids from throwing king balls or wait for guys coming off of the DL to throw them?? It's always fastballs first, right??
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