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Postby Havok1517 » Sat Aug 05, 2006 10:57 pm

I really think if Harden added bout 15-20 lbs he'd be less likely to be injured. It looks like he has like 3-5% body fat. I mean he just produces so much velocity from his small frame. It could help a lot of other guys as well.
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Postby Gags Sports » Sat Aug 05, 2006 11:01 pm

Wait a minute. If Wood's not going to be considered elite, then neither can Prior. Prior's only had one good year. Wood had 3-4 good years, depending on if you want to consider his rookie season. At what point do we separate hype and reality?
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Postby teddy ballgame » Sat Aug 05, 2006 11:04 pm

Gags Sports wrote:Wait a minute. If Wood's not going to be considered elite, then neither can Prior. Prior's only had one good year. Wood had 3-4 good years, depending on if you want to consider his rookie season. At what point do we separate hype and reality?

When Wood gets 3 years younger I'll call him elite again. Prior is still only 26, and a lot of guys have breakout years at 27. There's still plenty of hope for his career. Wood seems to be over the hill already. People want him to be a closer in the future because he can't last 60 pitches.
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Postby hybrid » Sat Aug 05, 2006 11:07 pm

Havok1517 wrote:I really think if Harden added bout 15-20 lbs he'd be less likely to be injured. It looks like he has like 3-5% body fat. I mean he just produces so much velocity from his small frame. It could help a lot of other guys as well.


I think I read something on him that said he does have barely any body fat. Also went on to say that he works out a lot to keep in great shape. It probably wouldn't hurt him if he added a few, but if it effected his delivery then I'm not sure.
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Postby Havok1517 » Sat Aug 05, 2006 11:11 pm

hybrid wrote:
Havok1517 wrote:I really think if Harden added bout 15-20 lbs he'd be less likely to be injured. It looks like he has like 3-5% body fat. I mean he just produces so much velocity from his small frame. It could help a lot of other guys as well.


I think I read something on him that said he does have barely any body fat. Also went on to say that he works out a lot to keep in great shape. It probably wouldn't hurt him if he added a few, but if it effected his delivery then I'm not sure.


Where are the Bob Gibson's of the world? He would pitch without an arm.
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Postby Gags Sports » Sat Aug 05, 2006 11:11 pm

teddy ballgame wrote:
Gags Sports wrote:Wait a minute. If Wood's not going to be considered elite, then neither can Prior. Prior's only had one good year. Wood had 3-4 good years, depending on if you want to consider his rookie season. At what point do we separate hype and reality?


When Wood gets 3 years younger I'll call him elite again. Prior is still only 26, and a lot of guys have breakout years at 27. There's still plenty of hope for his career. Wood seems to be over the hill already. People want him to be a closer in the future because he can't last 60 pitches.


OK, so then why are you considering Prior as an elite pitcher if you're still holding out hope that he one day can break out. The more I think about this, the more I'm of the belief that neither of these guys are close to elite.
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Postby teddy ballgame » Sat Aug 05, 2006 11:26 pm

Gags Sports wrote:
teddy ballgame wrote:
Gags Sports wrote:Wait a minute. If Wood's not going to be considered elite, then neither can Prior. Prior's only had one good year. Wood had 3-4 good years, depending on if you want to consider his rookie season. At what point do we separate hype and reality?


When Wood gets 3 years younger I'll call him elite again. Prior is still only 26, and a lot of guys have breakout years at 27. There's still plenty of hope for his career. Wood seems to be over the hill already. People want him to be a closer in the future because he can't last 60 pitches.


OK, so then why are you considering Prior as an elite pitcher if you're still holding out hope that he one day can break out. The more I think about this, the more I'm of the belief that neither of these guys are close to elite.

He's already broken out. I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. My point is he's not even at the age of typical breakout, so there's still a good chance of a bright career.
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Postby zevon » Sat Aug 05, 2006 11:46 pm

Havok1517 wrote:
hybrid wrote:
Havok1517 wrote:I really think if Harden added bout 15-20 lbs he'd be less likely to be injured. It looks like he has like 3-5% body fat. I mean he just produces so much velocity from his small frame. It could help a lot of other guys as well.


I think I read something on him that said he does have barely any body fat. Also went on to say that he works out a lot to keep in great shape. It probably wouldn't hurt him if he added a few, but if it effected his delivery then I'm not sure.


Where are the Bob Gibson's of the world? He would pitch without an arm.


Bob Gibson is probably the best pitcher I've ever seen, one tough sumbuck.
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Neither Wood, Prior, or Harden can be considered anything close to elite.

Halladay, Pedro, Zambrano, Carpenter, Moose, Schill, Cytana are elite.
Liriano , Verlander, Weaver on the brink.
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Postby soxfan364 » Sun Aug 06, 2006 12:02 am

Good list zevon

[quote="zevon
Neither Wood, Prior, or Harden can be considered anything close to elite.

Halladay, Pedro, Zambrano, Carpenter, Moose, Schill, Cytana are elite.
Liriano , Verlander, Weaver on the brink.[/quote]
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Postby Another Blown Save » Sun Aug 06, 2006 12:18 am

Wood/Prior win it for me, with John Patterson getting HM
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