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Postby SirDunkALot » Tue Aug 01, 2006 1:07 am

Havok1517 wrote:
SirDunkALot wrote:Heh, didn't know my post could create so much controversy.

I think this keeper league will be going on for at least probably 5 years. All of our members are active and are hardcore baseball addicts.

But, Top 5 - 10 seems to be maybe the consensus. At least a first rounder.

Are we thinking like:

Pujols
ARod
Wright
Crawford
Vlad
Manny
Ortiz
Hafner
Perhaps even Beltran?

ahead of MCab? Or where would I sandwich him?


I say #6 right now and if he gets dealt to a contender or FLA improves their team (smaller park would help) in next 2-3 years he's #3.


#6. So, would he be lower than:

Pujols
ARod
Wright
Vlad
Manny
Ortiz? Crawford?
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Postby bellings » Tue Aug 01, 2006 1:22 am

Now I don't feel so bad. In my keeper league, someone offered his Beckett for my Miggy, and I replied "not even close." He was actually offended! Miggy is in Santana territory, not Beckett territory.
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Postby ukrneal » Tue Aug 01, 2006 2:21 am

I'd take the following over him for sure:
Pujols
ARod
Vlad
Manny
Crawford
Ortiz
Santana

In the same ballpark (meaning arguable who gets picked over whom):
Wright
Soriano
Beltran
Bay
Utley
Reyes (arguable, but 2b is so weak)
Berkman
Hafner

Probably lower:
Tejada
Abreu

I think people over-value young studs in keeper leagues. In keeper leagues, your time horizon is either this year or next year. Forget about 3-4 years down the line. Too much can happen. Plus, there are always good young guys who come into the league that you can get.

5 years ago you might have built a fantasy squad around Bonds. You'd have gotten 4 years of fantastic production (01-04). And then nada. And Manny is the riskiest in that sense. But four years is a long time. You would most certainly have been competitive if not tops in the league. Trading can happen at any time too. If you have Pujols, you should be able to get antother top keeper PLUS another keeper or player that will help push you over the top for a stretch run. So Pujols is the runaway choice at #1 for me.

About 5 years ago, I built my roto keeper (15) around Manny (must have been about 29-30 at that time and has been solid - slightly younger than Ortiz today), Berkman (young), Halladay (later traded right at his peak in the off-season after his Cy), Crawford (his rookie year, so I got him cheap), and Helton. Helton is tapering off, but i am still glad he was my first round pick at that time. He gave me 2-3 years of top poduction and he still contributes. If I could pick only one top keeper, it would be Manny or Crawford and I'd have a hard time deciding. Both are great and I wouldn't hesitate with either.
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Postby Blue Bear » Tue Aug 01, 2006 6:59 am

bellings wrote:Now I don't feel so bad. In my keeper league, someone offered his Beckett for my Miggy, and I replied "not even close." He was actually offended! Miggy is in Santana territory, not Beckett territory.


agreed!
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Postby raiders_umpire » Wed Aug 02, 2006 11:53 am

1. Pujols
2. Arod
3. Mcab
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Postby djacks » Wed Aug 02, 2006 12:09 pm

Wow...not much love for Beltran here.

I'd rank them:

Pujols
Wright
Arod
MCab
Crawford
Beltran

...I think spots #2 thru #4 are a toss up. I had both Wright and MCab earlier this year in a keeper, but traded MCab away...so obviously I like Wright a little better. But just by a little. I think MCab is probably the second best hitter in baseball.
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Postby J35J » Wed Aug 02, 2006 12:24 pm

I agree with ukrneal....

If I'm in a keeper league, whether I think it will last just 2-3 years or 15 years I am drafting just for what I think about the player for this year and next, thats it. I'll worry about 3 years from now when I get there, by then there will be a whole new crop of youngins to choose from.....


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Postby acsguitar » Wed Aug 02, 2006 12:29 pm

djacks wrote:Wow...not much love for Beltran here.

I'd rank them:

Pujols
Wright
Arod
MCab
Crawford
Beltran

...I think spots #2 thru #4 are a toss up. I had both Wright and MCab earlier this year in a keeper, but traded MCab away...so obviously I like Wright a little better. But just by a little. I think MCab is probably the second best hitter in baseball.


Um Beltran has better numbers then everyone on thats list except for pujols. I'd rank them as this.

Pujols
Arod
Beltran
Howard
Wright
Oritz
Soriano
Reyes
Crawford
Utley
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Postby StlSluggers » Wed Aug 02, 2006 12:31 pm

He's a first-rounder. Why rank him in comparison to other first-rounders? The Drunk probably isn't going to have many first-round, keeper-types on his squad, but even if he does have three or four, he's going to keep them all.

M-Cab is a keeper. Unless you have the first 6 players taken in the draft, there's no reason to debate it further.
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Postby Iconoclastic » Wed Aug 02, 2006 12:38 pm

In his prime he will put up Manny Ramirez in his prime numbers.
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Grady Sizemore will have more value than Jason Bay regardless of draft position

Aramis Ramirez in 155 G will hit over .300 40 HR 110 RBIs

Brian McCann will have more value than Jorge Posada regardless of draft position
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