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Postby J.C.Fighter » Sat Jul 29, 2006 11:44 pm

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RaNe wrote:I think the Dodgers are preparing for the future. They substituted James Loney in 1B today, and they may have put in Broxton for the same reason. Piece by piece, we're creating a young, promising team.

Also to the Tejada rumor, I doubt it. Furcal is our SS, and we just got Betemit from the Braves to play 3B. Tejada would not have a spot on our team, and we've refused to give up any of our top prospects for anybody, including Soriano. Tejada's going to be great for a few more years, but the prospects we give up will be good for over a decade.


Or they could turn into Edwin Jacksons. I doubt Tejada is going to LA simply because as you said, there is no position for him.


Or they can turn into Francisco Lirianos and Joe Mauers
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Postby RaNe » Sun Jul 30, 2006 1:32 am

Snakes Gould wrote:how isnt there? betemit can play 2b and tejada can move to 3b. jeff kent could be shipped out or semi/platooned with betemit(or betemit could go back into IF utilityman every other day) and nomar or nomar could go out and play LF. i dont think anyone would say nah we dont really want tejada because we dont have a position for him. if anything they dont have a position for BETEMIT anymore.


Look, reality baseball is a lot different from fantasy baseball. No team's going to trade for a 40+ year old player who's on the DL right now. Betemit, I've heard, wasn't a good 2B defensively while Kent can still field well. We didn't trade a utility player for another utility player. Betemit is going to be the everyday 3B. Nomar to left field? Come on, he's been a gold glove caliber 1B, while Ethier's been gold in LF. Has Nomar even played OF before? Use some common sense. Nomar doesn't have the flexibility to make dives for fly balls in a spacious outfield. Just because Tejada's a great player doesn't mean any team's just going to trade for him. Our infield is crowded enough. Betemit is a young player with big upside; Tejada is halfway through his prime.

There's a reason trades like Kazmir for Zambrano work out the way they do: you trade for the present and neglect the future.
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Postby kbarre » Sun Jul 30, 2006 8:04 am

RaNe wrote:I think the Dodgers are preparing for the future. They substituted James Loney in 1B today, and they may have put in Broxton for the same reason. Piece by piece, we're creating a young, promising team.

Also to the Tejada rumor, I doubt it. Furcal is our SS, and we just got Betemit from the Braves to play 3B. Tejada would not have a spot on our team, and we've refused to give up any of our top prospects for anybody, including Soriano. Tejada's going to be great for a few more years, but the prospects we give up will be good for over a decade.


While I'll agree that if LA were to get Tejada, it would be pointless, I'm going to have to disagree with your assessment of Tejada's value. Tejada is freaking Miguel Tejada, and those prospects are simply that...prospects. If the Dodgers didn't just go and get Furcal, and were making a run, Tejada is WORLDS ahead of those prospects. If someone were to ask me what is the safer bet....Tejada from 06-16 or Guzman from 06-16, you have to take Tejada every time hands down.
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Postby kage812004 » Sun Jul 30, 2006 4:26 pm

any updates on this, i could really use a closer? any Saito trade rumors or anything?
GO SOX!! GO PATS!!
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Postby RaNe » Sun Jul 30, 2006 6:18 pm

kbarre wrote:
RaNe wrote:I think the Dodgers are preparing for the future. They substituted James Loney in 1B today, and they may have put in Broxton for the same reason. Piece by piece, we're creating a young, promising team.

Also to the Tejada rumor, I doubt it. Furcal is our SS, and we just got Betemit from the Braves to play 3B. Tejada would not have a spot on our team, and we've refused to give up any of our top prospects for anybody, including Soriano. Tejada's going to be great for a few more years, but the prospects we give up will be good for over a decade.


While I'll agree that if LA were to get Tejada, it would be pointless, I'm going to have to disagree with your assessment of Tejada's value. Tejada is freaking Miguel Tejada, and those prospects are simply that...prospects. If the Dodgers didn't just go and get Furcal, and were making a run, Tejada is WORLDS ahead of those prospects. If someone were to ask me what is the safer bet....Tejada from 06-16 or Guzman from 06-16, you have to take Tejada every time hands down.


Did I every say anything bad about Tejada? I said Tejada's going to be great for a few more years, and after that he'll be at the end of his prime. You're thinking hypothetically here. IF Furcal wasn't signed, IF the prospects were busts, THEN Tejada would be a nice addition. However, there's nothing we can do about Furcal, and our prospects are playing like rookies of the year. You're comparing Tejada to Guzman, well duh, I'd go with Tejada. In a couple of years? Guzman could become one nice player while Tejada's power declines. Our prospects aren't highly touted without reason: they're simply tearing it up in the minors.

Would I rather trade the future players that may lead us to a World Series championship for players that will help us just clinch the division title for 1-2 years? NO. Take a look at all the trades in recent years that involved prospects for fast upgrades. Kazmir for Zambrano? Our PAUL KONERKO for Jeff Shaw? Liriano, Bonser, and Nathan for AJ PIERZYNSKI? Yeah, and who won the trade in all of those? The side that got the prospects. Why do you think all the teams are not willing to part ways with their top prospects? Why do you think the Yankees will not trade Philip Hughes for anybody, the Angels will not trade Kendrick, Wood, Weaver, and the Dodgers won't give up Kemp, LaRoche, Loney, etc? Even for players named Soriano? You've got to always think long term when you're out of the race early on.
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Postby bcb » Sun Jul 30, 2006 7:39 pm

Saito gets the save today - perfect 9th.
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Postby Mashug » Sun Jul 30, 2006 8:06 pm

Yesssss!
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Postby Mile High Ballers » Mon Jul 31, 2006 6:27 am

Bottom line. The only teams that are truly in the running for Tejada are those teams that are willing to trade some great young talent for him and have a legitimate shot at making a run at and in the post season. The Dodgers aren't gonna part with alot for him because they haven't a good shot to do any real damage in the post season, aside from the fact that they won't be there this year anyway. Tejada, by the way is a freaking ELITE infelder. ELITE. Few players in the entire league bring his consistent power numbers to the table.
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Postby jnormy » Mon Jul 31, 2006 11:51 am

RaNe wrote:Would I rather trade the future players that may lead us to a World Series championship for players that will help us just clinch the division title for 1-2 years? NO. Take a look at all the trades in recent years that involved prospects for fast upgrades. Kazmir for Zambrano? Our PAUL KONERKO for Jeff Shaw? Liriano, Bonser, and Nathan for AJ PIERZYNSKI? Yeah, and who won the trade in all of those? The side that got the prospects.


Generally speaking, I agree that teams shouldn't press the panic button and bargain their futures away, esp. a team like the Dodgers who have little hope of making a post-season dent this year. But, IMO, your examples have no bearing on a potential Miguel Tajada deal.

In the peak of their careers, the non-prospect players in the deals you mentioned never really come close to what Tejada has done in his career. Maybe Shaw, who was a two-time all-star closer, but he certainly wasn't the elite player Tejada is now. AJ had a career-best 18 HR last year, and has never had more than 77 RBI in a season. Victor Zambrano needs no explanation. (Just wish the Mets had figured that out at the time! <img src=/forums/images/smiles/kiss.gif>)

Further, there are plenty of examples in the other direction, in which the side getting the minor leaguers lost out bigtime:

A's send Mark McGwire to Cardinals for pitchers T.J. Mathews, Eric Ludwick and Blake Stein

Padres send Fred McGriff to Braves for OF Melvin Nieves and pitchers Donnie Elliott and Vince Moore

Blue Jays send David Cone to Yankees for pitchers Marty Janzsen, Jason Jarvis and Mike Gordon

I'm sure there are plenty more examples on both sides...

At 30, Tejada's got plenty of good years left in him. I just don't think acquiring an all-star shortstop in his prime for some prospects can be put in the same category as Zambrano-Kazmir, no matter HOW it ultimately turns out.
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