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Postby birdmandig » Fri Jul 28, 2006 2:13 am

How will they rank among delmon young's call up???

Will they reach upper echon studs...(i.e. Carl Crawford).

Would all 3 be potential keepers???
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Postby rmande09 » Fri Jul 28, 2006 3:47 am

All three are definitely potential keepers. Though I am fairly sure that Kemp will lose his rookie status this season, and Delmon MAY come close.

Hermida has loads of potential. The number four prospect (BA) entering the season, he was ready to rock in Florida. Many considered him to be a frontrunner for NL ROY, but a little struggle early and then an injury have caused his numbers to be down. He does everything well - he's a ballplayer. He could break out next season, and with his size, strength, and speed, he could put up .300-20-20, and that's being conservative.

Kemp is a stud as well. He has all the tools. He can run, rake, and hit it far. He's 6'3", 230, and jacked. Once his eye improves and he makes more contact, he will be a stud at the Big league level. Pretty good bet to reach 30 homers and 20 steals. Carlos Beltran?

Butler is the second best hitter in the minors right now, behind Delmon. You could toss him in the Majors and he'd hit over .300. And he's just 20. Initially compared to Mike Sweeney, I think it's safe to say he's surpassed those expectations with his excellent 20 year old season. After a 2005 season in which he put up an OPS well over 1 at A+ as a 19, he has continued to develop at AA. Though his OPS is down to a "meager" .850, he continues to make hard contact everytime he hits the ball. As a power hitter, he could certainly afford to walk more (34 in 400 ABs), but he strikes out at a ridiculously low rate (61 Ks - just 15%). It may not seem ridiculously low, but for a 20 year old power hitter in AA, it is. He has advanced pitch recognition and can hit any pitch hard all over the field. Right now, it seems experience and power development are all we are waiting for. He gets "shafted" in the rankings because of his defense, but has made significant strides this season. He will be a corner OF, and has improved his defense to average. He can't run a lick, so his range will be limited, but he'll catch what he can get to and has a slightly above average arm. He should be up mid-to-late 2007, and hitting with Gordon should make that a deadly 3-4 combo for years to come.

I think Delmon will be the most valuable player of the group, fantasy and real life. I think Kemp and Butler will be behind him, as Kemp could be a five-tooler with big numbers and Butler could be a batting champ with 30+ homer power. I love Hermida as a player - his defense, arm, hustle - just his pure baseball ability. But I think he falls slightly behind the other three in terms of fantasy value. He'll be more valuable than Kemp and Butler in 2007, but after that, I'm not sure. Of course, if he further develops into his 6'4" frame and starts hitting 30 homers annually, I guess .310+-30-15 could be rather valuable ;-) I think all four will be keepable by the end of 2008, if not by their current stats but by their potential.

PS - I believe that if BA did their rankings today and Hermida and Kemp could be included, their top 10 would be:

1. Delmon
2. Gordon
3. Wood
4. Hermida
5. Upton
6. Butler
7. Hughes
8. Kemp
9. Bailey
10. Maybin

This is assuming Kendrick, Drew, and Milledge could not be ranked. (I know Hermida has no chance, I just did it for affect)
C: Pierzynski
1B: Pujols
2B: Altuve
3B: Miggy
SS: HanRam
OF (x3): CarGo, M. Bourn, D. Jennings
UTIL (x2): E. Encarnacion, C. Hart
BN: Cuddyer, C. Ross, J. Montero

SP: Price, Gallardo, T. Hudson, Lester
RP: Chapman, Jansen, Rodney, Putz, Cishek, Bailey
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Postby oakiedragon » Thu Aug 03, 2006 3:13 am

"This is assuming Kendrick, Drew, and Milledge could not be ranked. (I know Hermida has no chance, I just did it for affect)"

First, Kemp could not be considered for that list he he has too many ab's plus he has more ab's then Milledge so milledge would qualify before he would but neither do.Drew and Kendrick just miss the cut but they are up for good now. So it doesnt matter. Also I would like to see what your top 10 would look like with those 3 added in or make it a top 13 so you dont have to eliminate any player, since you already added hermida into it might as well go all the way.
Also on a side note wouldnt you consider such players as Garza,Hirsh, and adenhardt, gallardo, miller and elbert if they finish strong but i think those 4 if they finish well will still be in 10-20 range. Garza and Hirsh deserve consideration though. And while i like justin upton and think he has huge upside his preformance this year is not nearly top 10 worthy. There are much more deserving players who have preformed much better than upton at the same level and at are a year younger, namely Jose Tabata and Fernando Martinez. Upton has underpreformed this season and has had a position switch, which could attribute to his drop in hitting but i dont think hes top 10 quality yet. I also would rank Maybin higher than upton right now, based on the fact that they are both OF, and maybin has out played upton all year at the same level. I still like upton but i dont want to give him elite status just yet.
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Postby rmande09 » Thu Aug 03, 2006 3:57 pm

I said the list was my best guess at how BA would rank them, not myself. They have some man-crush on the Uptons, so him dropping below 5 or 6 is highly unlikely, nearly impossible.

I still think Upton should be top 10, but below Maybin, simply because he is performing a bit above average and still has all the tools.

Garza and Hirsh do not belong in the top 10, or 15 for that matter. Well, maybe 15, depending on who's where.

Milledge will reach 130 ABs, Kemp is still at 122 and in the Minors. Though he's bound to get a September call-up, if not earlier with his great play at AAA, he could end up not reaching 130. Plus, like I said, it was just for effect.
C: Pierzynski
1B: Pujols
2B: Altuve
3B: Miggy
SS: HanRam
OF (x3): CarGo, M. Bourn, D. Jennings
UTIL (x2): E. Encarnacion, C. Hart
BN: Cuddyer, C. Ross, J. Montero

SP: Price, Gallardo, T. Hudson, Lester
RP: Chapman, Jansen, Rodney, Putz, Cishek, Bailey
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Postby bigwords » Fri Aug 04, 2006 11:55 am

Isn't the rule 130 at bats BEFORE September? Meaning if Kemp gets called up in September (when rosters expand), he still doesn't lose his rookie eligibility.
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Postby winterball22 » Fri Aug 04, 2006 4:25 pm

Determining rookie status:
A player shall be considered a rookie unless, during a previous season or seasons, he has (a) exceeded 130 at-bats or 50 innings pitched in the Major Leagues; or (b) accumulated more than 45 days on the active roster of a Major League club or clubs during the period of 25-player limit (excluding time in the military service and time on the disabled list).
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