The Weaver and Maddux comps need to go. I know this is a Kendrick thread and I apologize, but this isn't the first time I've seen samo make this comment. You're right - hitters say, "Why can't we hit this guy?," about Weaver and Maddux, but the comparison ends there. Jered is half the pitcher Maddux is and was. Weaver's fastball is better now, but back in the day, Maddux sat 91 with unreal movement. Weaver works at 91, tops at 93. I saw him for the second time yesterday and the ONLY reason he has been this successful thus far is the deception in his wind-up. After teams see him two, three, four times, see you later. He'll fall right back down to where he was projected - a middle-of-the-rotation starter. He throws a FLAT four seamer at 90-92, topping at 93, a two-seamer with LITTLE one plane movement at 89-90, and his "slurve" is around 83 with slow, easy break. The spin is loose and the break is not sharp. His change is not good and his curve is his second best pitch, at 79-80, 11-to-6 break, but still, not sharp or tight. He can be successful at changing arm angles, but can only throw his two-seam and slurve for strikes from his sidearm angle and he gives the curve away via over-pronation of the wrist. His control is not Maddux', the movement is not even close to Maddux', and his stuff is not as good as Maddux'. Comparing the two should be ended, if for any reason than the fact that Maddux deserves more than to be seriously compared to a guy who's made 8 starts in the bigs.
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rmande09 wrote:The Weaver and Maddux comps need to go. I know this is a Kendrick thread and I apologize, but this isn't the first time I've seen samo make this comment. You're right - hitters say, "Why can't we hit this guy?," about Weaver and Maddux, but the comparison ends there. Jered is half the pitcher Maddux is and was. Weaver's fastball is better now, but back in the day, Maddux sat 91 with unreal movement. Weaver works at 91, tops at 93. I saw him for the second time yesterday and the ONLY reason he has been this successful thus far is the deception in his wind-up. After teams see him two, three, four times, see you later. He'll fall right back down to where he was projected - a middle-of-the-rotation starter. He throws a FLAT four seamer at 90-92, topping at 93, a two-seamer with LITTLE one plane movement at 89-90, and his "slurve" is around 83 with slow, easy break. The spin is loose and the break is not sharp. His change is not good and his curve is his second best pitch, at 79-80, 11-to-6 break, but still, not sharp or tight. He can be successful at changing arm angles, but can only throw his two-seam and slurve for strikes from his sidearm angle and he gives the curve away via over-pronation of the wrist. His control is not Maddux', the movement is not even close to Maddux', and his stuff is not as good as Maddux'. Comparing the two should be ended, if for any reason than the fact that Maddux deserves more than to be seriously compared to a guy who's made 8 starts in the bigs.
yea - a little early on the Maddux comp, imo. He reminds me a lot of Nomo, who also had that deceptive delivery and low-90s fastball, all pitches with good movement. Nomo was lights out for a season, good in the second, then average for most of the rest of his career.
Let teams get used to his deceptive delivery and see him a few more times and my thoughts are he won't be so dominating at all.
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by CrashOverrid3 » Sun Jul 30, 2006 11:12 am 
